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OK - So I have been challenged to a dual from a 2005 GT3 driver - straight line 0 - 250kmh - happens this coming Sunday - he refuses to accept his porker is slower - to anyone out there who has the relevant experience of this particular head to head - what's the verdict gonna be? AND - Bet's anyone?
Urgent Harry said:Sorry Harry, read my profile again - running a T350 now - Chimaera RR (SA Version) long gone - but BOY do I miss the Chim Grunt - would love to have a head to head with my old (Albeit modified) Chim - reckon the Chim would take it 0 - 85kmh but then T350 would pass - and lose sight of the Chim from there on.
Sounds fantastic. Red rose you say? As long as there are no bends in the straight line I reckon (and hope) you'll win fairly comfortably - must confess this is based more on reading car comics that actual experience of this head to head. Look forward to hearing the result. Good luck
0-150mph.
Think you'll struggle to be honest, although it will be mightly close.
Problem being the 350 take what seems an eternity from 130mph+, whereas the GT3 keep goings a bit quicker.
I would have thought upto 120/130 you'll be slightly ahead, but the GT3 will go ahead from this point.
On Vmax's, 350's have been hitting between 155-160mph, where's the GT3's have been hitting 175mph, so this shown they push on a bit better.
Keen to know outcome though.
>> Edited by hobo on Thursday 29th September 22:34
Think you'll struggle to be honest, although it will be mightly close.
Problem being the 350 take what seems an eternity from 130mph+, whereas the GT3 keep goings a bit quicker.
I would have thought upto 120/130 you'll be slightly ahead, but the GT3 will go ahead from this point.
On Vmax's, 350's have been hitting between 155-160mph, where's the GT3's have been hitting 175mph, so this shown they push on a bit better.
Keen to know outcome though.
>> Edited by hobo on Thursday 29th September 22:34
My experience is that you need an enormous power differential to really 'burn somebody off'. Without any doubt it will be close.
If you pull away at all give your car a big pat on the back, it needs to feel significantly faster to do this.
A friend of mine in his 996 Carrera 2 had a race with an M3CSL and a Ferrari 360 Modena. He said there was virtually nothing in it all the way to well over 130. Taking car mag figures and prices into account there's a big difference.
I've raced a 400bhp skyline in my Lotus Esprit V8. Again almost nothing in it despite the skyline's extra 50bhp and better top end. The skyline felt faster but the difference on the road is minimal.
I've also raced a t350 against a Sagaris and know there's bugger all in that too, despite being able to feel more power above 4000 from the 4.0 S engine.
My advice is use every rev the t350's got, use your shift lights and you'll give a GT2 a hard time, never mind a GT3.
The power to weight differences between fast road cars is very small in reality. It seems few manufacturers believe we can handle something properly quick. Maybe they're right. If you've ever seen one of those races between a hot hatch, Porsche 911 and an F1 car you'll know the Porsche is far closer to the fiesta than we'd like to believe. The biggest difference between sports cars and the rest is marketing!
If you pull away at all give your car a big pat on the back, it needs to feel significantly faster to do this.
A friend of mine in his 996 Carrera 2 had a race with an M3CSL and a Ferrari 360 Modena. He said there was virtually nothing in it all the way to well over 130. Taking car mag figures and prices into account there's a big difference.
I've raced a 400bhp skyline in my Lotus Esprit V8. Again almost nothing in it despite the skyline's extra 50bhp and better top end. The skyline felt faster but the difference on the road is minimal.
I've also raced a t350 against a Sagaris and know there's bugger all in that too, despite being able to feel more power above 4000 from the 4.0 S engine.
My advice is use every rev the t350's got, use your shift lights and you'll give a GT2 a hard time, never mind a GT3.
The power to weight differences between fast road cars is very small in reality. It seems few manufacturers believe we can handle something properly quick. Maybe they're right. If you've ever seen one of those races between a hot hatch, Porsche 911 and an F1 car you'll know the Porsche is far closer to the fiesta than we'd like to believe. The biggest difference between sports cars and the rest is marketing!
mwtryan said:
OK - So I have been challenged to a dual from a 2005 GT3 driver - straight line 0 - 250kmh - happens this coming Sunday - he refuses to accept his porker is slower - to anyone out there who has the relevant experience of this particular head to head - what's the verdict gonna be? AND - Bet's anyone?
You aint got a chance. Your T350 will hit a wall at 150mph and struggle to get to 160 mph in the next mile. The GT3 will be at 175 and you will still be trying to get to 165...
Sorry if its not what you want to hear, but the t350 is aerodynamically challanged at these speeds from a standing start.
Mr F
Oh.... now there is a GT2 reference again....... lol
Well having had a T350 and a GT3, GT3 RS and now a GT2 and a Sagaris.... I don't want to spell doom... but... the T350 is going to be only about a second slower to 100 (about 2 car lengths) but will drop back from there....
The other question is where in SA?? If you are up in the high altitudes around Jo'burg then the Porsche will perform better still and you'd stand no chance against a turbo charged Porsche....
The other problem about drag racing a 911 is they are monster off the line due to the weight balance, getting a T350 off this line as cleanly is not easy.
Give it a go though, most of it is down to technique.... whoever is willing to give their car the hardest time in real terms is going to win!
Well having had a T350 and a GT3, GT3 RS and now a GT2 and a Sagaris.... I don't want to spell doom... but... the T350 is going to be only about a second slower to 100 (about 2 car lengths) but will drop back from there....
The other question is where in SA?? If you are up in the high altitudes around Jo'burg then the Porsche will perform better still and you'd stand no chance against a turbo charged Porsche....
The other problem about drag racing a 911 is they are monster off the line due to the weight balance, getting a T350 off this line as cleanly is not easy.
Give it a go though, most of it is down to technique.... whoever is willing to give their car the hardest time in real terms is going to win!
speedyellow said:
Oh.... now there is a GT2 reference again....... lol
Well having had a T350 and a GT3, GT3 RS and now a GT2 and a Sagaris.... I don't want to spell doom... but... the T350 is going to be only about a second slower to 100 (about 2 car lengths) but will drop back from there....
The other question is where in SA?? If you are up in the high altitudes around Jo'burg then the Porsche will perform better still and you'd stand no chance against a turbo charged Porsche....
The other problem about drag racing a 911 is they are monster off the line due to the weight balance, getting a T350 off this line as cleanly is not easy.
Give it a go though, most of it is down to technique.... whoever is willing to give their car the hardest time in real terms is going to win!
speedyellow said:Well, the GT3 is normally aspirated so also suffers from altitude sickness (we are racing in JHB area). I can tell you that I ran away from a 997 4S four weeks back - it was a real walk over (I left him for dead in third, fourth and fifth from about 120kmh on the highway - did not race from standstill) and the 997 4S is a lot closer to a 996 GT3 than it's 996 4S predecessor. I have to admit the GT3 is expected to take me after 250 - no doubt about it BUT I have been in this car and it certainly does not feel as if it will take the T350 from start - providing I can get a clean start which as we all know is a bit of an problem with wheelspin etc to contend with.
Oh.... now there is a GT2 reference again....... lol
Well having had a T350 and a GT3, GT3 RS and now a GT2 and a Sagaris.... I don't want to spell doom... but... the T350 is going to be only about a second slower to 100 (about 2 car lengths) but will drop back from there....
The other question is where in SA?? If you are up in the high altitudes around Jo'burg then the Porsche will perform better still and you'd stand no chance against a turbo charged Porsche....
The other problem about drag racing a 911 is they are monster off the line due to the weight balance, getting a T350 off this line as cleanly is not easy.
Give it a go though, most of it is down to technique.... whoever is willing to give their car the hardest time in real terms is going to win!
I've just tried JSR 1/4 mile sim.
www.jsread.com/tvr/quartermile.htm
There's no T350 listed so used a Tuscan 4.0
It'll be a close run thing
www.jsread.com/tvr/quartermile.htm
There's no T350 listed so used a Tuscan 4.0
It'll be a close run thing
Mr Freefall said:Perhaps I should change the "rules" to 0 - 240kmh in that case - he! he!
OK - So I have been challenged to a dual from a 2005 GT3 driver - straight line 0 - 250kmh - happens this coming Sunday - he refuses to accept his porker is slower - to anyone out there who has the relevant experience of this particular head to head - what's the verdict gonna be? AND - Bet's anyone?
You aint got a chance. Your T350 will hit a wall at 150mph and struggle to get to 160 mph in the next mile. The GT3 will be at 175 and you will still be trying to get to 165...
Sorry if its not what you want to hear, but the t350 is aerodynamically challanged at these speeds from a standing start.
Mr F
Head to head on a track would be no contest on a track - I'm afraid the Porsche would eat the T350 for breakfast, but I don't agree that the T350 runs out of steam quite so soon in a straight line. 250km/h is 155mph and the T350 gets there comfortably... yes the front gets very lively, but there's still a fair bit of grunt to take you further if you've got the nerve (although my experience is based on the car's speedo reading which is probably not the most accurate even when it is working). Not long to wait for the result...
Kurgen_ said:Sort of agree with you - however and it's a big however, this is my daily user and so is the Porsche for the other guy, I don't think either of us has the relevant track experience to go there, plus niether of us are so well off that we could afford a shunt which is maybe likely considering what these cars are capable of (admittedly the Porsche more so), so a quick Drag is the answer on a quiet stretch of road.
Can't see the point of drag-racing, myself.. but
If it's a one off race, then technique will shine through, as acceleration on both cars is similar.
Why not get both cars on track, would be a much better test of car and driver ability.
Rob
Took the car out at 6.30 this morning for a practice and running 1.5BAR tyre pressure all round found the car more stable at 260kmh and had NO problem getting there - car does not hit a wall at 150mph - not even slightly, power all the way with no hint of hesitation, maybe having the de-cat done plus engine balanced at the re-build makes a difference but the car is going well and I personally think the porker is in for a hard time - thanks to all for positive (and otherwise) feedback and will let you know the outcome tomorrow.
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