How come farmers here make so little money?
How come farmers here make so little money?
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fid

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2,431 posts

270 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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This is of genuine interest to me...I've always wanted to be a farmer, but there never seems to be much money in it...

I've been playing around with some figures for dairy, and the incomes seem to add up to pretty big numbers:

Average number of cows per hectare is around 2.5 to 3, so with 100 acres of land you'd be looking at around 120 cattle. With each producing cow, you might average 20 to 22 litres of milk a day, 365 days a year...roughly 960,000 litres per year. If the dairy pays 18.5p/litre, that's milk income of almost £180k per year. And then there could be subsidies and other income to top it up!

Am I missing something? Because I can't for the life of me work out how expenses on a well established, 100 acre farm, could be anywhere near that high. :confused:

gh0st

4,693 posts

288 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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Cost of running machinery and stuff I suppose. Also supermarkets will cut you to the bone for profits.


No idea myself just guessing

alexkp

16,484 posts

274 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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Your calculations on the cows are off - a Jersey produced around 10-12 litres per day, a Fresian 15-18.

And cows are not milked 365 days a year -they have at least eight weeks off.


(Oooo arrrr!)

Pies

13,116 posts

286 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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"Recent research by the Milk Development Council reveals that, despite supermarkets increasing the price of a litre of milk by 3.5 pence, virtually none of that increase has been seen by the farmers. Farmers are paid less than the costs of producing milk. The retail price of a litre of milk is around 50 pence, with supermarkets suspected of taking around 22-24 pence of that. Dairy farmers receive around 17 pence – 2 pence below the cost of production. Last year this resulted in six out of every 10 dairy farmers failing to cover their costs. In the last five years 700 dairy farms in Scotland have gone out of business."

Quick google

2 Smokin Barrels

32,031 posts

265 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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Pies said:
In the last five years 700 dairy farms in Scotland have gone out of business."




..that's because they put whisky on their cornflakes

rolyrat

3,383 posts

253 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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vets bills, feed bills, diesel (i know its tax free but it adds up when you run say, four 6 litre tractors), running repairs; (tyres on my mates ford tractor last back end came to £1175 for the four), mortgage, employment of 1 labourer, contractors to be paid, buildings, rent of land, the list is endless. you get fined for anything and everything. And now the government have scrapped subsidies for producing food and have introduced a "single payment scheme", which pays farmers not to produce food but turn england into one giant nature reserve to entertain stupid rambling townies. so where does the milk come from? Poland, mostly. Meat? anywhere but here. . sorry if that came over as a rant, but i feel really strongly on this sort of thing.

D_Mike

5,301 posts

270 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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cows don't eat cornflakes.

2 Smokin Barrels

32,031 posts

265 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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D_Mike said:


cows don't eat cornflakes.


..they do in Scotland

parrot of doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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Do you want farmers to make more money?

I do.

I also (unlike the sheep in the supermarkets) realise the difference between using a Butcher's shop for meat (and cheese, eggs etc), and the crap in Tesco.

Try it, really. Just go to the nearest Butcher on your street and buy your meat from there. If you can't taste the difference, you must have an asbestos tongue.

I also get my milk delivered from a milkman. Not so much profit there for the farmer, but certainly more than if you buy it from the supermarket.

fid

Original Poster:

2,431 posts

270 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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parrot of doom said:
Do you want farmers to make more money?

I do.

Yep, I do

edited to say...unless they're making fack loads already, then I'd just like to BE a farmer!

>> Edited by fid on Thursday 29th September 22:01

2 Smokin Barrels

32,031 posts

265 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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I bloody hate people who get their milk delivered. 4.00 a.m. and a rattly old Sherpa sits chugging over whilst an ancient asthmatic arthritic old boy delivers milk one carton at a time........GRRRRRRR GET YOUR MILK AT THE SHOPS & LET ME SLEEEEEP

rolyrat

3,383 posts

253 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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on a lighter note and as a slight aside, has anyone ever tasted fresh milk? i mean straight out of the cow? if not you should endevour to do so. it cant be beaten. not like the white water from the shops. Roland

alexkp

16,484 posts

274 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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rolyrat said:
on a lighter note and as a slight aside, has anyone ever tasted fresh milk? i mean straight out of the cow? if not you should endevour to do so. it cant be beaten. not like the white water from the shops. Roland



Well, it can be beaten by a good dose of e-coli, which is what you risk by drinking unpasteurised milk...

D_Mike

5,301 posts

270 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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I've never drunk from a cow but i've had cows milk straight from the udder.

I dislike full fat milk though its too full of fat. When I have cornflakes I put milk on them and then pour it off becuase I don't like the taste. I prefer semi skimmed milk. Its got less fat innit.

m1spw

5,999 posts

255 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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You also have to look at the CAP (Common agricultural Policy). I did this in geography, and we saw a video about this guy who was a crop farmer. He had loads of land and a huge turnover, but also got a grant of £200,000 per year from the CAP, but he reckoned that without that he would be making a £180k loss each year because of staff and the way supermarkets etc f**k them over for profits.

D_Mike

5,301 posts

270 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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anonymous said:
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but people drank unpasteurised milk etc. for ages. I sometimes think food is too safe. I like to live a little. Why take all your risks driving fast cars? If every bowl of cereal you have is a dice with death surely life becomes more exciting.

"and since we know an end will come, it makes our living fun"

fid

Original Poster:

2,431 posts

270 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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anonymous said:
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Got my details from here.* Mean output per cow of 7,900 litres per year, which equates to just under 22 litres a day...for Fresians. Yields ranging from 18.9 to 29.4 Kg/Day. Oooo arrrr!

*and backed up here

>> Edited by fid on Thursday 29th September 22:53

MrV

2,748 posts

258 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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anonymous said:
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Not quite true, we used to have a farm near us where the cows were inoculated every year ,and yep you can taste the difference


And full milk could be marketed as 96% fat free, admit it you would buy it because that sounds healthy

shirepro

11,838 posts

265 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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People always forget the capital outlay for business. Not sure how much a cow is, but guessing you could buy a small car for the money, X 120 is mega bucks. Interest payments alone would see you watering down the milk, feeding dead cows to other live cows, switching ear tags and having sex with the prettiest cow (OK I added that last one, but worth a try?).

fid

Original Poster:

2,431 posts

270 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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Yes yes, but as I said, an established farm...i.e. not owned by a bank, just a modest 100 acres owned by a family, already stocked, all the machinery required etc.