Driving a car with Insured but not assigned private plate?
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Hey folks,
This is going to sound silly, but I purchased a car a couple of weeks ago.
Dealer has been a nightmare with the V5 transfer (god knows what they are doing.. new logbook issued a week later but not in my name (confirmed by DVLA). Vehicles taxed on the original plates via green keeper slip. That slip though is now expired..
so I have:
- An expired green keeper slip.
- Taxed car on the original plates
- Insured on the orginal plates.
Whilst I'm sorting that faf out. I really want my private plate on the car. Call me impatient, silly etc.
What would happen if I were to put the private plate on without assigning the reg (I can't until the new logbook arrives and I suspect this is going to take a while)
I don't mind a fine, more worried if it's a criminal offence or something I could get points for.
Edit: I'll wait it out lol..
This is going to sound silly, but I purchased a car a couple of weeks ago.
Dealer has been a nightmare with the V5 transfer (god knows what they are doing.. new logbook issued a week later but not in my name (confirmed by DVLA). Vehicles taxed on the original plates via green keeper slip. That slip though is now expired..
so I have:
- An expired green keeper slip.
- Taxed car on the original plates
- Insured on the orginal plates.
Whilst I'm sorting that faf out. I really want my private plate on the car. Call me impatient, silly etc.
What would happen if I were to put the private plate on without assigning the reg (I can't until the new logbook arrives and I suspect this is going to take a while)
I don't mind a fine, more worried if it's a criminal offence or something I could get points for.
Edit: I'll wait it out lol..
Edited by Blazed123 on Thursday 10th April 17:02
Edited by Blazed123 on Thursday 10th April 17:12
I have no clue. I bought the car from a dealer. They gave me the green slip that was valid at the time (they made me use that to tax it before driving away).
Since then a new logbook has been issued. Phoned to check the status and all DVLA can confirm is that it's not in my name. I'm assuming that's why the green keeper slip is now invalid.
Since then a new logbook has been issued. Phoned to check the status and all DVLA can confirm is that it's not in my name. I'm assuming that's why the green keeper slip is now invalid.
I'd wait until the V5 situation is sorted, then the plate is transferred onto the car (I am assuming its on retention). Its a bad enough situation that you don't have the V5 - of course we know its not proof of ownership, but its still what's going to be referred to if the police stop you. You'll likely be able to talk yourself out of the confusion with the V5, but if you simply took the plates off and put the cherished ones on, they've got you on a clear crime. (Failing to display registration plate).
Blazed123 said:
I have no clue. I bought the car from a dealer. They gave me the green slip that was valid at the time (they made me use that to tax it before driving away).
Since then a new logbook has been issued. Phoned to check the status and all DVLA can confirm is that it's not in my name. I'm assuming that's why the green keeper slip is now invalid.
That is correct, if a new v5 is issued the old v5 new keepers part is now invalid and you won't even be able to tax the vehicle with that. Well... Not online but there's other ways. Anyway, that's not your issue.Since then a new logbook has been issued. Phoned to check the status and all DVLA can confirm is that it's not in my name. I'm assuming that's why the green keeper slip is now invalid.
So just wait for the new logbook to come?
Worst case scenario is.. You apply for a new logbook costing £25 (or you can try for free if you have the green part albeit.. It's an old one now).
But I have a feeling the car will not have extra owners for absolutely no reason.
A dealer typically puts a car "into trade" online, then will retain the previous owner's V5 (they might have torn out the yellow section). Then when it comes to registering the next owner, uses the previous owner's V5 reference to take the car out of trade and register it with the new keeper. All fairly simple and I'm surprised the dealer didn't do it in front of you during handover (they did a handover, right? You gave them some money then they gave you the keys, did the change of RK online and handed you a purchase invoice, a bunch of documents and the spare key(s)?
It sounds like the dealership "did some admin" in the background and muddled up registered keepers to be assigned to cars they sold. There are no extra steps, there's only one fairly simple step when they do it.
Did they ask for your email address? The DVLA can send an email confirmation (to both you and the dealership) when its done.......so long as the email addresses are entered at the appropriate time in the process.
It sounds like the dealership "did some admin" in the background and muddled up registered keepers to be assigned to cars they sold. There are no extra steps, there's only one fairly simple step when they do it.
Did they ask for your email address? The DVLA can send an email confirmation (to both you and the dealership) when its done.......so long as the email addresses are entered at the appropriate time in the process.
Blazed123 said:
Thanks. Hmm.. I never considered the new logbook might be in someone elses name.
Confused.comIn your original post you said "new logbook issued a week later but not in my name (confirmed by DVLA)" so who did you expect it would be issued to? The DVLA fairies?
Clearly, until you have a log book in your name you can do nothing of the sort.
For a start pretty much question 1 when you go to do the plate assignment is "what is the reference number on the V5 for the vehicle you want the plate to go on?"
So how would you answer that without a current correct log book?
Is that what the OP was intending to do?
I read the opening post as : Before I get the V5, I want to attach my private plates to the car, insure it with that registration and start driving it around.
Essentially - be driving around on false plates - albeit ones that he has on retention.
I read the opening post as : Before I get the V5, I want to attach my private plates to the car, insure it with that registration and start driving it around.
Essentially - be driving around on false plates - albeit ones that he has on retention.
E-bmw said:
Confused.com
In your original post you said "new logbook issued a week later but not in my name (confirmed by DVLA)" so who did you expect it would be issued to? The DVLA fairies?
Clearly, until you have a log book in your name you can do nothing of the sort.
For a start pretty much question 1 when you go to do the plate assignment is "what is the reference number on the V5 for the vehicle you want the plate to go on?"
So how would you answer that without a current correct log book?
Confused.comn indeed. I've never bought a car that's been advertised as X owners, then had another owner added on after the sale. That would be grounds for rejection imo. In your original post you said "new logbook issued a week later but not in my name (confirmed by DVLA)" so who did you expect it would be issued to? The DVLA fairies?
Clearly, until you have a log book in your name you can do nothing of the sort.
For a start pretty much question 1 when you go to do the plate assignment is "what is the reference number on the V5 for the vehicle you want the plate to go on?"
So how would you answer that without a current correct log book?
That's essentially my question. What's the consequences for driving with the "wrong plates" that are insured, in my name etc. but not transferred yet with the lack of V5.
Blazed123 said:
Confused.comn indeed. I've never bought a car that's been advertised as X owners, then had another owner added on after the sale. That would be grounds for rejection imo.
That's essentially my question. What's the consequences for driving with the "wrong plates" that are insured, in my name etc. but not transferred yet with the lack of V5.
Are you really this stupid or just a troll? That's essentially my question. What's the consequences for driving with the "wrong plates" that are insured, in my name etc. but not transferred yet with the lack of V5.
Blazed123 said:
Confused.comn indeed. I've never bought a car that's been advertised as X owners, then had another owner added on after the sale. That would be grounds for rejection imo.
That's essentially my question. What's the consequences for driving with the "wrong plates" that are insured, in my name etc. but not transferred yet with the lack of V5.
Answering the question, I think its typically a £100 fine (can go up to £1000 though) and no points on your licence. Also there is the danger they'd withdraw the personal plate, but I can't see that occurring in this scenario.That's essentially my question. What's the consequences for driving with the "wrong plates" that are insured, in my name etc. but not transferred yet with the lack of V5.
paul_c123 said:
Blazed123 said:
Confused.comn indeed. I've never bought a car that's been advertised as X owners, then had another owner added on after the sale. That would be grounds for rejection imo.
That's essentially my question. What's the consequences for driving with the "wrong plates" that are insured, in my name etc. but not transferred yet with the lack of V5.
Answering the question, I think its typically a £100 fine (can go up to £1000 though) and no points on your licence. Also there is the danger they'd withdraw the personal plate, but I can't see that occurring in this scenario.That's essentially my question. What's the consequences for driving with the "wrong plates" that are insured, in my name etc. but not transferred yet with the lack of V5.
Running without a plate (common on the front with some cars) is £100 fine.
Is running with "false" plates really the same?
wolf1 said:
Are you really this stupid or just a troll?
Do you have to go through life being an ass. You tell me, is it the norm for another person and owner to be added onto the vehicle after you've purchased and is not the buyer of said vehicle.. Selling a car as 1 owner, to then make it a 2 owner after the purchase, makes the car then 3 owner when it's transferred to me!
Seems stupid on the dealers behalf as that's grounds for rejection I think (false advertising) at the very least, hassle.
number of owners matters. Considering if I were to sell it, the buyer would be the 4th owner sub 20k miles..
Edited by Blazed123 on Thursday 10th April 09:59
Edited by Blazed123 on Thursday 10th April 10:10
Blazed123 said:
wolf1 said:
Are you really this stupid or just a troll?
Do you have to go through life being an ass. You tell me, is it the norm for another person and owner to be added onto the vehicle after you've purchased a car that's not the buyer.
The main point you were asking - which he replied to - was : How badly will I be punished if I drive around with the wrong plates fitted to the car
davek_964 said:
Are you sure?
Running without a plate (common on the front with some cars) is £100 fine.
Is running with "false" plates really the same?
Incorrect. A fixed penalty is £100 but the maximum fine is £1000.Running without a plate (common on the front with some cars) is £100 fine.
Is running with "false" plates really the same?
Vehicle registration fraud is more serious:
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magi...
davek_964 said:
That's not really the point of your question, or what caused that response though is it?
The main point you were asking - which he replied to - was : How badly will I be punished if I drive around with the wrong plates fitted to the car
I misundertood then. I thought the stupid comment was related to not understanding the logbook might be in someone else's name. The main point you were asking - which he replied to - was : How badly will I be punished if I drive around with the wrong plates fitted to the car
I did say in my original post, call me silly etc. won't deny what I'm asking is stupid and not wise. I'm trying to guage how unwise 😅
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