carbon fibre ban

[gusko]

Today in the Bulgarian news is a story that the EU is drafting a revision of the directive for the ELV(end of life vehicles) This will class carbon fibre as a hazardous material and will be banned from the automotive industry . The ban comes into effect 2029

link to the article
https://www.24chasa.bg/biznes/article/20322969

This could bankrupt Ferrari !!

[CountyLines]

Ferrari? Mclaren maybe. Ferrari mainstream cars don't use carbon tubs.

[Megaflow]

CountyLines said:

Ferrari? Mclaren maybe. Ferrari mainstream cars don't use carbon tubs.

But Ferrari, along with McLaren and others, probably make more money selling optional extra carbon parts to the carbon tarts than they do on the actual car.

[sdibbers]

Considering the CF supply chain is very EU centric I don’t see this really happening. They tend to ban stuff that’s made outside of the EU.

[964Cup]

It's typical EU babble. Won't survive encounter with industry lobbyists, is easily mitigated with basic PPE and materials handling, and would annihilate significant sections of EU industry and leave the region at a substantial competitive disadvantage.

So they'll probably do it.

[ex-devonpaul]

A pretty cursory search for "EU caron Fibre car ban" now shows this to be untrue.

This week

[gusko]

Megaflow said:

But Ferrari, along with McLaren and others, probably make more money selling optional extra carbon parts to the carbon tarts than they do on the actual car.

This is what I was thinking, I read somewhere... most probably local press that Ferrari makes a 6 figure sum in profit on every car they sell, It must be the carbon additions that makes that p[ossible.

If it is a false story did it come out at the beginning of the month?

[anonymous-user]

gusko said:

Megaflow said:

But Ferrari, along with McLaren and others, probably make more money selling optional extra carbon parts to the carbon tarts than they do on the actual car.

This is what I was thinking, I read somewhere... most probably local press that Ferrari makes a 6 figure sum in profit on every car they sell, It must be the carbon additions that makes that p[ossible.

If it is a false story did it come out at the beginning of the month?

Should be banned on F1 cars.
CF crumbles on a slight tap and stops the racing while broom sticks come out

[murphyaj]

This is a non-story
The EU is reviewing its end-of-life vehicles regulations, and those regulations include stipulations on hazardous and non-recyclable materials for use in cars. Back in January a *draft* *proposal* of *potential* changes to this regulation stated that carbon fibre *may* be included in the list of substances to be *regulated* (not banned).

Someone in the motoring press found this recently and, as usual, the press grabbed this with both hands and immediately ran clickbait articles with headlines like "The European Union wants to ban carbon fibre in cars" and "European Union Proposes Complete Carbon Fiber Ban".

Motor1 Italia did the unthinkable and did some actual journalism by, shock horror, contacting the European Parliament for further information. They were informed that there will be no ban. Here is the link to their update, it's in Italian but any half decent web browser can translate it for you. Here is the key extract

Motor1 Italia said:

"Since it was a draft , nothing was decided yet. So, according to what was told to us, carbon fiber will be removed from the list of harmful materials and cars sold in Europe will therefore be able to continue using it even after 2029. Nothing will change"

https://it.motor1.com/news/756663/europa-vietare-fibra-carbonio-auto/

[Terminator X]

Total fkwits, praise the Lord that we left

TX.

[ex-devonpaul]

Terminator X said:

Total fkwits, praise the Lord that we left

Yup, because all manufacturers will make special models for the UK (of everything, not just cars) rather than send us the neutered rubbish the rest of Europe gets. That's why you can still go an buy powerful vacuums in Currys and toilets that hold more than 5L in B&Q.

Or not.

[murphyaj]

Terminator X said:

Total fkwits, praise the Lord that we left

TX.

Except, as detailed above, this was a whole fuss about nothing.
And anyone who thinks the UK government is immune from doing objectively stupid things or coming up with impractical legislation all on its own clearly doesn't read the news.

Edited by murphyaj on Thursday 17th April 09:53