Is a bore scored 997.1 a terrible idea?
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it's all about the numbers, if it's high mileage car it's likely to need other parts replacing. Full new suspension 5K, coolant pipes 3K, discs and pads all round 1K, rebuild circa 15K. These cars can gobble up money quite quickly, especially if you're picky.
Edited by FriedMarsBar on Friday 25th April 00:02
Discombobulate said:
I wouldn't do it to a Cat C.
But as a project to build a keeper? Yes. But put a 4.1 in it
I think that's a valid way of doing it.But as a project to build a keeper? Yes. But put a 4.1 in it
If you only hold the car for 1-2 years, you're going to take a hit. Maybe you'll get £15k for it if the market conditions worsen. That means you're taking a 10k hit for 12-24 months. However, if you hold it for 10 years and have a lot of fun with it, and then sell it for £15k, that's not so bad. Sure, you'll have chucked more money to keep it on the road eg suspension refresh, new brakes, but you'd have done that with a similar car that isn't a Cat C or suffering from bore score, and you might only get £20k for that car. Or it starts to develop bore score so you're selling it for low teens anyway. It's all guessing, of course, but that's one possible scenario.
Every now and then I see a DB9 come onto the market with the V12 tick and when you see it up for £12k, it starts to make me ponder. You could end up with a decent car for £32k and probably sell it for mid-to-high £20s with a rebuilt engine which would be a pretty good deal for those in the know.
Hoofy said:
My only concern then - ignoring the fact that you will take a hit come resell time, it's still a Cat C so what's a Cat C car with a rebuilt engine worth?
My main concern is that the seller didn't go to school the day they did writing. Which is rarely a good sign.But at £10k, and let's assume that is what it can be bought for, you're kind of into project territory aren't you? It's never going to be worth a fortune, so if it can be established that it stands up nice and straight I wonder whether Cat C matters. If it drives pissed, like a crab on Special Brew, then it's to be swerved,
Zio Di Roma said:
Hoofy said:
My only concern then - ignoring the fact that you will take a hit come resell time, it's still a Cat C so what's a Cat C car with a rebuilt engine worth?
My main concern is that the seller didn't go to school the day they did writing. Which is rarely a good sign.But at £10k, and let's assume that is what it can be bought for, you're kind of into project territory aren't you? It's never going to be worth a fortune, so if it can be established that it stands up nice and straight I wonder whether Cat C matters. If it drives pissed, like a crab on Special Brew, then it's to be swerved,
It looks like a tatty mess, leather all hard and shiny, switchgear all worn out, then on top of that it is a Cat S.
That £13k rebuild could easily become £17k on a car that is 20 years old with 133,000 miles on it when you do all the bits that you would want to do when the engine is out.
Then when it is back what if it needs a new clutch or flywheel? New transmission mounts? New climate lines (at the age where they are starting to go)?
Then you need to sort the interior out, if you have spent £30k at this point you would want that to be spot on, that could be another £2-3k to get the front seats refinished and the switchgear sorted.
So you now have a car that cost you £33k, it has 140k miles on it at this point and is worth around £26k rebuilt, take off the 25-35% for it being a Cat car and even the best days are only ever going to see you get around £20k for it.
Seriously, if you are thinking of spending some money buy one for £30k that has half the miles and has had all that done already. Even if it means taking out a bank loan for £15k, I would rather be paying a bit each month and have an asset that is appreciating than ploughing more money into a depreciating asset.
If you can do the engine work yourself great. But if you are paying someone the £10k of labour, forget it imho.
That £13k rebuild could easily become £17k on a car that is 20 years old with 133,000 miles on it when you do all the bits that you would want to do when the engine is out.
Then when it is back what if it needs a new clutch or flywheel? New transmission mounts? New climate lines (at the age where they are starting to go)?
Then you need to sort the interior out, if you have spent £30k at this point you would want that to be spot on, that could be another £2-3k to get the front seats refinished and the switchgear sorted.
So you now have a car that cost you £33k, it has 140k miles on it at this point and is worth around £26k rebuilt, take off the 25-35% for it being a Cat car and even the best days are only ever going to see you get around £20k for it.
Seriously, if you are thinking of spending some money buy one for £30k that has half the miles and has had all that done already. Even if it means taking out a bank loan for £15k, I would rather be paying a bit each month and have an asset that is appreciating than ploughing more money into a depreciating asset.
If you can do the engine work yourself great. But if you are paying someone the £10k of labour, forget it imho.
FriedMarsBar said:
it's all about the numbers, if it's high mileage car it's likely to need other parts replacing. Full new suspension 5K, coolant pipes 3K, discs and pads all round 1K, rebuild circa 15K. These cars can gobble up money quite quickly, especially you're picking.
Coolant pipes 3k?!I cannot see any sense in buying it and spending "top top" money on a rebuild at Hartech. It will always be a cheap 911, being high mileage and a CAT C. If you must buy it, assuming it is suffering borescore, get only the cylinders affected re-sleeved (hopefully just cyl 6) and enjoy it for as little finanical outlay as possible.
If you have £25-30k in your pocket today, which let's me honest is what you need if you're talking Hartech plus a few other repairs on this ebay car, I would buy one that has already been sorted instead, which is feasible at that price point.
If you have £25-30k in your pocket today, which let's me honest is what you need if you're talking Hartech plus a few other repairs on this ebay car, I would buy one that has already been sorted instead, which is feasible at that price point.
FriedMarsBar said:
it's all about the numbers, if it's high mileage car it's likely to need other parts replacing. Full new suspension 5K, coolant pipes 3K, discs and pads all round 1K, rebuild circa 15K. These cars can gobble up money quite quickly, especially you're picking.
This, plus as others have pointed out it is Cat C and a bit tatty.Personally I would only buy one of these that had been rebuilt by Hartech with a full rebuild receipt. I would rather spend £27k on this
https://911uk.com/porsche/997-1-c2s-hartech-rebuil...
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