Romanian nationals sentanced - no deportation?

[Patio]

I thought any foreign nationals committing offences that resulted in 12 months or more would be subject to deportation

No mention of it in this story

Also wonder if they recovered any proceeds of crime cash?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2ewv443dx3o

[LivLL]

No mention they won't.

[Patio]

LivLL said:

No mention they won't.

If its the law wouldn't it form part of the sentence?

[darreni]

Sentences seem vey light indeed.

[LivLL]

Patio said:

If its the law wouldn't it form part of the sentence?

I don’t know. Thought you might given the thread

[Patio]

LivLL said:

Patio said:

If its the law wouldn't it form part of the sentence?

I don’t know. Thought you might given the thread

Nope, that's why I'm asking

At what point in the process would the deportation take place?

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Patio said:

LivLL said:

Patio said:

If its the law wouldn't it form part of the sentence?

I don’t know. Thought you might given the thread

Nope, that's why I'm asking

At what point in the process would the deportation take place?

Generally at the end of the sentence. Although sometimes some of the sentence can be served in a prison in the home country if there's some kind of agreement in place.

[LivLL]

Patio said:

Nope, that's why I'm asking

At what point in the process would the deportation take place?

Seems reading more on that scheme, it's a stshow and unlikely, if deported, they won't come back illegally anyway.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...

Labour is weak on crime just like the Tories and appalling at protecting our borders so not much hope.

[Alex Z]

LivLL said:

Patio said:

If its the law wouldn't it form part of the sentence?

I don’t know. Thought you might given the thread

It’s not part of the sentence but standard policy. Prisons refer people to the home office for a decision when they are approaching the end of their time in jail.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...

[Vasco]

LivLL said:

Seems reading more on that scheme, it's a stshow and unlikely, if deported, they won't come back illegally anyway.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...

Labour is weak on crime just like the Tories and appalling at protecting our borders so not much hope.

I guess Reform might have a view - that much of the country could support.
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Vasco said:

LivLL said:

Seems reading more on that scheme, it's a stshow and unlikely, if deported, they won't come back illegally anyway.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-brie...

Labour is weak on crime just like the Tories and appalling at protecting our borders so not much hope.

I guess Reform might have a view - that much of the country could support.
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Some people do like a simplistic solution that shows you haven't understood the problem.

[Vasco]

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Some people do like a simplistic solution that shows you haven't understood the problem.

I always appreciate words of wisdom from others. Do you have any?

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Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Some people do like a simplistic solution that shows you haven't understood the problem.

I always appreciate words of wisdom from others. Do you have any?

The fees legal immigrants pay for their applications cross-subsidise enforcement of illegal immigration.

So if a party is telling you you can have less legal immigration, pay less tax *and* have better enforcement of illegal immigration, you should probably wonder where the money is coming from. Is that wise enough for you?

[Vasco]

E63eeeeee... said:

Vasco said:

E63eeeeee... said:

Some people do like a simplistic solution that shows you haven't understood the problem.

I always appreciate words of wisdom from others. Do you have any?

The fees legal immigrants pay for their applications cross-subsidise enforcement of illegal immigration.

So if a party is telling you you can have less legal immigration, pay less tax *and* have better enforcement of illegal immigration, you should probably wonder where the money is coming from. Is that wise enough for you?

Interesting, thank you.
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[TonyF1]

E63eeeeee... said:

So if a party is telling you you can have less legal immigration, pay less tax *and* have better enforcement of illegal immigration, you should probably wonder where the money is coming from. Is that wise enough for you?

I have a vague hope that the cash in hand jobs illegal immigrants (they aren’t allowed to work remember) do still need doing by incumbent persons who are sat on there arses and thus they would be paying taxes and contributing to society. Said more in hope than expectation.

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TonyF1 said:

E63eeeeee... said:

So if a party is telling you you can have less legal immigration, pay less tax *and* have better enforcement of illegal immigration, you should probably wonder where the money is coming from. Is that wise enough for you?

I have a vague hope that the cash in hand jobs illegal immigrants (they aren’t allowed to work remember) do still need doing by incumbent persons who are sat on there arses and thus they would be paying taxes and contributing to society. Said more in hope than expectation.

To be fair, I hadn't even got started on the wider economic effects of reducing immigration, but that does sound quite optimistic. Maybe there are employers who would only employ illegal immigrants cash in hand and if the supply of those illegal immigrants dried up they would go completely legit and pay taxes and so on rather than just employing other people cash in hand. But you'd actually be better off trying to achieve the same goal by funding enforcement of the existing employment laws and closing those employers down so the work gets done by legit tax-paying firms instead.

[Far Cough]

The system should be changed - any foreigners that get a custodial sentence should be made to do it in their own country thereby dealing with the deportation issue and having to pay for their "stay" in our cushy prisons at the same time. The by product if the law could be changed and applied retrospectively would cure our prison overcrowding problem overnight.

[Super Sonic]

TonyF1 said:

I have a vague hope that the cash in hand jobs illegal immigrants (they aren’t allowed to work remember) do still need doing by incumbent persons who are sat on there arses and thus they would be paying taxes and contributing to society. Said more in hope than expectation.

You think people are going to pay tax on cash in hand jobs? Unlikely.

[Dingu]

Far Cough said:

The system should be changed - any foreigners that get a custodial sentence should be made to do it in their own country thereby dealing with the deportation issue and having to pay for their "stay" in our cushy prisons at the same time. The by product if the law could be changed and applied retrospectively would cure our prison overcrowding problem overnight.

The gaping hole in your plan is other countries telling us to ps off and just letting them free. So may as well just deport them as the sentence and forget jail.

[HiAsAKite]

Far Cough said:

The system should be changed - any foreigners that get a custodial sentence should be made to do it in their own country thereby dealing with the deportation issue and having to pay for their "stay" in our cushy prisons at the same time. The by product if the law could be changed and applied retrospectively would cure our prison overcrowding problem overnight.

Define a "foreigner"?

What about those who have acquired UK nationality, are they still "foreigners"?

What about those born in the UK who may hold foreign dual nationality?

Are they also "foreigners"?

Or do we use residency as the criteria instead of nationalities?


I will confess- my immediate reactions was also "they should be deported", but as others have pointed its not straightforwards, and they may still end up deported

Edited by HiAsAKite on Saturday 26th April 12:21