Virginia Giuffre suicide

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Rufus Stone

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9,490 posts

69 months

Saturday 26th April
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649679/...

I never believed her abuse claims, but it's nevertheless sad that she was so troubled as to do this.

Edited by Rufus Stone on Saturday 26th April 02:41

greygoose

8,901 posts

208 months

Saturday 26th April
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There seem a few millions paid out to justify her claims despite your lack of belief.

DT398

1,814 posts

161 months

Saturday 26th April
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Rufus Stone said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649679/...

I never believed her abuse claims, but it's nevertheless sad that she was so troubled as to do this.

Edited by Rufus Stone on Saturday 26th April 02:41
Thankfully it didn’t matter whether you believed them or not. With such stand up characters on the other side of the argument, it’s highly likely her claims were based in truth. Sad end.

CrgT16

2,274 posts

121 months

Saturday 26th April
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Indeed sad end regardless of anything else. She hast children so must have been in a really bad place to do this. It was odd she didn’t have access to her children though. There’s more to the story but none of our business. Rest in peace.

Jim H

1,313 posts

202 months

Saturday 26th April
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Very sad indeed, especially for a mother to do this. Quite a few involved in this whole turgid affair relating to Epstein end up dead. So not entirely surprising, one does wonder who next?

sugerbear

5,125 posts

171 months

Saturday 26th April
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Rufus Stone said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649679/...

I never believed her abuse claims, but it's nevertheless sad that she was so troubled as to do this.

Edited by Rufus Stone on Saturday 26th April 02:41
Do you find it hard to believe there are mens that will groom teenagers for sex ? Or do these men just get an easy ride because they happen to be wealthy?

grumbledoak

32,085 posts

246 months

Saturday 26th April
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I don't doubt her claims. The reported £16M settlement suggests others believed her.
I do doubt this was suicide. She previously (2019) posted “I am making it publicly known that in no way, shape, or form am I suicidal.”

A tragic and early end after years of abuse. RIP.

Randy Winkman

18,625 posts

202 months

Saturday 26th April
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sugerbear said:
Rufus Stone said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649679/...

I never believed her abuse claims, but it's nevertheless sad that she was so troubled as to do this.

Edited by Rufus Stone on Saturday 26th April 02:41
Do you find it hard to believe there are mens that will groom teenagers for sex ? Or do these men just get an easy ride because they happen to be wealthy?
Yes - "grooming gangs" as they are sometimes referred to.

Luke.

11,355 posts

263 months

Saturday 26th April
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grumbledoak said:
I don't doubt her claims. The reported £16M settlement suggests others believed her.
I do doubt this was suicide. She previously (2019) posted “I am making it publicly known that in no way, shape, or form am I suicidal.”

A tragic and early end after years of abuse. RIP.
That was 6 years ago.

I don't doubt it was suicide.

Sixpackpert

4,840 posts

227 months

Saturday 26th April
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Wasn’t she in hospital last month after being hit by a bus and only had days to live?

fridaypassion

9,946 posts

241 months

Saturday 26th April
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Rufus Stone said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649679/...

I never believed her abuse claims, but it's nevertheless sad that she was so troubled as to do this.

Edited by Rufus Stone on Saturday 26th April 02:41
I do l also don't think those claims were black and white. Still a sad ending to a clearly troubled person. When a mother isn't living with her kids it's clearly a sign there's something usual going on.

Where were her parents when she was supposedly getting flown around the world to shag sweaty princes?

My daughter is 15. When she's 17 I'll know where she is at all times. When she's 18 she can do as she pleases. Nobody ever seems to talk about the culpability of parents in these abuse cases. Oh yes Mr Jackson please do take my 11 year old boy for a sleepover. Enjoy!

ScotHill

3,631 posts

122 months

Saturday 26th April
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grumbledoak said:
I don't doubt her claims. The reported £16M settlement suggests others believed her.
I do doubt this was suicide. She previously (2019) posted “I am making it publicly known that in no way, shape, or form am I suicidal.”
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Sounds like since then she had been potentially violent towards her family and had been denied access to her children, an upcoming court case could have made that worse. I'm sure the police who said there were no suspicious circumstances know a bit more about it than you do.

Douglas Quaid

2,562 posts

98 months

Saturday 26th April
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Looks like her topping herself is more to do with her impending divorce and her separation from her kids than anything else. She must’ve been in a desperate mental state.

Rufus Stone

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9,490 posts

69 months

Saturday 26th April
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sugerbear said:
Do you find it hard to believe there are mens that will groom teenagers for sex ? Or do these men just get an easy ride because they happen to be wealthy?
Of course some teenagers are victims of grooming, but that doesn't mean all teenagers are.

greygoose

8,901 posts

208 months

Saturday 26th April
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Rufus Stone said:
sugerbear said:
Do you find it hard to believe there are mens that will groom teenagers for sex ? Or do these men just get an easy ride because they happen to be wealthy?
Of course some teenagers are victims of grooming, but that doesn't mean all teenagers are.
True, but a woman who was flown round the world by a known sex offender and received a substantial payout from a Prince she was pictured with would seem to fit the profile of a victim of grooming, even if doesn’t fit your view that this is just done by taxi drivers in Rochdale.

Chrisgr31

13,995 posts

268 months

Saturday 26th April
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greygoose said:
There seem a few millions paid out to justify her claims despite your lack of belief.
If the millions were paid out, especially those paid by Prince Andrew, I wonder where they have gone as there doesnt seem to be any particular evidence of them.

I think its clear that she was abused by Epstein, she was young and impressionable at the time, and she potentially did not consider it abuse at the time. I am less convinced about some of the allegations she made about others including Prince Andrew. I can fully understand why he made a settlement to avoid going to court, in court it would have been his word against hers, so a relatively high risk of guilt whether guilty or not. There were suggestions that Prince Andrew paid millions to settle the case and if this is the case I'd be interested to know where it is. I suspect there was a fairly small payout, mainly to avoid court costs.

None of which of course avoids the fact that it is sad she has ended her life this way, especially for her children.

Her life and that of her family and children must of been very difficult with all the publicity around her time spent with Epstein.

S100HP

13,244 posts

180 months

Saturday 26th April
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Sixpackpert said:
Wasn’t she in hospital last month after being hit by a bus and only had days to live?
Yes. Said to my wife this morning it sounds like she meant more by that. Everyone assumed she had "days to live" due to the injuries, whereas maybe she meant "days to live" due to her mental state.

SS427 Camaro

7,216 posts

183 months

Saturday 26th April
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Awful news. Wonder how the sweaty one is taking it….

fridaypassion

9,946 posts

241 months

Saturday 26th April
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Chrisgr31 said:
If the millions were paid out, especially those paid by Prince Andrew, I wonder where they have gone as there doesnt seem to be any particular evidence of them.

I think its clear that she was abused by Epstein, she was young and impressionable at the time, and she potentially did not consider it abuse at the time. I am less convinced about some of the allegations she made about others including Prince Andrew. I can fully understand why he made a settlement to avoid going to court, in court it would have been his word against hers, so a relatively high risk of guilt whether guilty or not. There were suggestions that Prince Andrew paid millions to settle the case and if this is the case I'd be interested to know where it is. I suspect there was a fairly small payout, mainly to avoid court costs.

None of which of course avoids the fact that it is sad she has ended her life this way, especially for her children.

Her life and that of her family and children must of been very difficult with all the publicity around her time spent with Epstein.
I think this is a very sensible and balanced post and sums up exactly what happened. Was there ever even proof that the photo was 100% genuine? Andrew never got a stream of follow up claims which a true wrongun would have. It was an error in judgement with the company he kept and I always thought was a bit of a poor show how he got ripped apart and humiliated for basically nothing.

bitchstewie

57,729 posts

223 months

Saturday 26th April
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The girl clearly had some issues and it's not surprising given the past.

First page and we're into Andrew being the real victim.

Just grim.