991.1 GT3 the elephant in the room
Discussion
It’s getting to spring, so naturally my mate and I are sending messages about all the lovely cars for sale that we should definitely go and see and buy!
His preferred choice is a 991.2 GT3 in comfort PDK flavour but every time I look at one, I can’t help feeling I prefer the front end look of the first generation.
And then I think, manual aside, that gen 1 is the same car but an easy £30k or even £40k cheaper!
Yes I know engines etc but the car would be run with a Porsche warranty anyways (as the ten year engine good will warranty would be expired).
I can understand the manual gen two being a premium but the PDK is essentially the same car isn’t it?
How are people viewing the first gen these days? The bargain of the GT line up or a liability to wash your hands of?
There’s so much choice at the £80k GT Porsche price point (996/997, 718, 991 etc) it seems amazing that the market has completely dumped the gen one 991-what gives??
His preferred choice is a 991.2 GT3 in comfort PDK flavour but every time I look at one, I can’t help feeling I prefer the front end look of the first generation.
And then I think, manual aside, that gen 1 is the same car but an easy £30k or even £40k cheaper!
Yes I know engines etc but the car would be run with a Porsche warranty anyways (as the ten year engine good will warranty would be expired).
I can understand the manual gen two being a premium but the PDK is essentially the same car isn’t it?
How are people viewing the first gen these days? The bargain of the GT line up or a liability to wash your hands of?
There’s so much choice at the £80k GT Porsche price point (996/997, 718, 991 etc) it seems amazing that the market has completely dumped the gen one 991-what gives??
Problem with the gen 1 GT3 is as we approach the max 15 year OPW expiry they will be increasingly hit residually due to the engine issues as early run late 2013 cars will be 15 years old in 2028.
Latest G series engine replacement cars would hedge this issue to a degree but bear in mind there is quite a difference between the gen 1 and gen 2 justifying the price difference apart from the possible engine woes.
Used to think the gen 1 was prettier from the front broadly down to the slightly canted indicator lenses and conflicting air intake design v the gen 2 but now consider the gen 2 to be prettier overall including the rear lights and air vent position with the menacing black air scoops on the engine lid and better looking end sections on the spoiler further adding to the better look.
Having run both cars from new the engine in the gen 2
makes the car broadly because of its greater torque and less power drop off approaching the redline compared to the gen 1. Sounds much better too with greater induction across the rev range. Snappier in lower gears.
Bear in you will get a much newer car with the gen 2 with better interior media etc also helper springs improve suspension. Some like the grittier driveline clatter on the gen 1 but I preferred the much quieter gen 2 although the clutch on the manual is too light for a Porsche GT imo.
Other option to consider is the GT4 being a Cayman not a 911 much better value than the GT3. Having run both 981 GT4 and 718 GT4 from new the newer car is the better choice despite the price gap. I sold my 991.2 GT3 manual CS and kept my 718 GT4 manual whilst the engine and overall package is not a GT3 it is not that far off tbh for a lot less money. Little difference on the road between the 718 GT4 and gen 1 GT3 imo.
Latest G series engine replacement cars would hedge this issue to a degree but bear in mind there is quite a difference between the gen 1 and gen 2 justifying the price difference apart from the possible engine woes.
Used to think the gen 1 was prettier from the front broadly down to the slightly canted indicator lenses and conflicting air intake design v the gen 2 but now consider the gen 2 to be prettier overall including the rear lights and air vent position with the menacing black air scoops on the engine lid and better looking end sections on the spoiler further adding to the better look.
Having run both cars from new the engine in the gen 2
makes the car broadly because of its greater torque and less power drop off approaching the redline compared to the gen 1. Sounds much better too with greater induction across the rev range. Snappier in lower gears.
Bear in you will get a much newer car with the gen 2 with better interior media etc also helper springs improve suspension. Some like the grittier driveline clatter on the gen 1 but I preferred the much quieter gen 2 although the clutch on the manual is too light for a Porsche GT imo.
Other option to consider is the GT4 being a Cayman not a 911 much better value than the GT3. Having run both 981 GT4 and 718 GT4 from new the newer car is the better choice despite the price gap. I sold my 991.2 GT3 manual CS and kept my 718 GT4 manual whilst the engine and overall package is not a GT3 it is not that far off tbh for a lot less money. Little difference on the road between the 718 GT4 and gen 1 GT3 imo.
personally think it is a little mispriced compared to the successor. I do not entirely get the engine worries, I thought you can just keep the cheap Porsche warranty and I assume once that one is no longer available , you will be able to switch the the Porsche Classic warranty (same as for the 996, 997, 986, 987) - 1,799 euros does not sound that much for people who want a warranty. Also all engines will eventually need a refresh/rebuild, so it is what it is (and I am not sure how many failures even happened since the initial period/since engines were repaired/replaced. Don't see many posts on here about 991.1 engines having let go since then (but am not focused on it either, so might well have missed it).
I am not in the market for one, so might well be mistaken.
I am not in the market for one, so might well be mistaken.
Id get one from an OPC and itll come with 2 years warranty. Run it for a bit and see how you feel and swap it for a 991.2 down the line if you wanted a manual or an update?
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
PRO5T said:
There’s a classic warranty?
here you gohttps://www.porsche.com/germany/accessoriesandserv...
MDL111 said:
If you read down far enough it states this:In the event of damage, is the insurance valid throughout Europe?
The insurance applies to vehicles purchased in Germany within Europe in the geographical sense.
Doesn't appear to be a UK applicable warranty. I've never heard of it.
mr pg said:
MDL111 said:
If you read down far enough it states this:In the event of damage, is the insurance valid throughout Europe?
The insurance applies to vehicles purchased in Germany within Europe in the geographical sense.
Doesn't appear to be a UK applicable warranty. I've never heard of it.
Nuttcase said:
mr pg said:
MDL111 said:
If you read down far enough it states this:In the event of damage, is the insurance valid throughout Europe?
The insurance applies to vehicles purchased in Germany within Europe in the geographical sense.
Doesn't appear to be a UK applicable warranty. I've never heard of it.
ah well, guess I will have to try to sell it without warranty - that's too bad.
Mwn11 said:
Id get one from an OPC and itll come with 2 years warranty. Run it for a bit and see how you feel and swap it for a 991.2 down the line if you wanted a manual or an update?
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Interesting to see just how few are in the OPC network-is that the only one? JZM, none. Ashgoods, none. Harbour Cars, none...https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Now that the ten year warranty has ended is everyone dumping them?
The dealer is on the hook for the repair if there is no Porsche warranty or goodwill on the engine.
I can’t imagine many indies will want that potential liability, and it’s not like they could just bump up the car price to cover it as buyers would just end up with the 991.2.
Anyone tried to sell a 991.1 into the trade lately? What was the response?
I can’t imagine many indies will want that potential liability, and it’s not like they could just bump up the car price to cover it as buyers would just end up with the 991.2.
Anyone tried to sell a 991.1 into the trade lately? What was the response?
MDL111 said:
crap - I did not read the footnotes. So much for putting one on my RS to make it easier to sell.
ah well, guess I will have to try to sell it without warranty - that's too bad.
I did give it a try and asked today - no go for GT cars.ah well, guess I will have to try to sell it without warranty - that's too bad.
Also got a nice 1,800 Euro bill for replacing the battery as letting it go flat f... everything - serves me right for not sorting it out when the car still had juice.
PRO5T said:
Interesting to see just how few are in the OPC network-is that the only one? JZM, none. Ashgoods, none. Harbour Cars, none...
Now that the ten year warranty has ended is everyone dumping them?
Not sure tbh. I wouldn't own one personally without the warranty. Especially when you can average it out at just over £1k a year.Now that the ten year warranty has ended is everyone dumping them?
Unsure on build numbers but there's more .2s for sale than .1s on auto trader at the minute (28 vs 23) so are people dumping or holding? I have no idea.
CoolHands said:
What’s the engine problem, bore scoring? In which case why worry, how much can it cost to have a rebore and new pistons (which may well not be needed). It’s normally pretty cheap.
If it was bore scoring everyone would be picking up a 991.1 GT3. The issue centred on the engine’s connecting rod bolts which can break, puncturing the cylinder block and leaking oil onto the hot exhaust resulting in fires. Now to make the issues more concerning Porsche when through about 4 iterations of the enging E, F, G and G6. At the cost of 50K to fix the engine I think that says it all. FrancisA said:
If it was bore scoring everyone would be picking up a 991.1 GT3. The issue centred on the engine’s connecting rod bolts which can break, puncturing the cylinder block and leaking oil onto the hot exhaust resulting in fires. Now to make the issues more concerning Porsche when through about 4 iterations of the enging E, F, G and G6. At the cost of 50K to fix the engine I think that says it all.
That may have happened to some cars but I dont think thats the more common issue that is reported.It's wear on the finger followers and cams that seems to the main thing. The later heads had extra oil squirters and a DLC coated cams or something to help cool them and fix this.
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