Settlers - Louis Theroux
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I'll be watching it later, but I'm half tempted to rewatch his earlier release of a similar nature first - to compare and contrast. It was quite the eye-opener then, in terms of the segregation and effective apartheid nature of the factions involved.
Bewildering that things have got way, way worse since.
No doubt this'll see Theroux and the Beeb (further) branded a mouthpiece for anti-Semitism.
Bewildering that things have got way, way worse since.
No doubt this'll see Theroux and the Beeb (further) branded a mouthpiece for anti-Semitism.
Resolutionary said:
I'll be watching it later, but I'm half tempted to rewatch his earlier release of a similar nature first - to compare and contrast. It was quite the eye-opener then, in terms of the segregation and effective apartheid nature of the factions involved.
Bewildering that things have got way, way worse since.
No doubt this'll see Theroux and the Beeb (further) branded a mouthpiece for anti-Semitism.
It is very one sided and does paint the Palestinians' as victims and all lovely salt of the earth types, plays heavy on the fact many of the settlers are Jews from America and very white.Bewildering that things have got way, way worse since.
No doubt this'll see Theroux and the Beeb (further) branded a mouthpiece for anti-Semitism.
It is what it is, of course you can go to Israel and find people that are extreme in their views, but you can pretty much anywhere, you could go and interview an extreme bunch of Indian's or Pakistani's about each other and get similar results.
The Jews do seem to get far more flak than any other and it is pure anti-Semitism to do a one sided hit piece like this playing right to the 'in' crowd who despise settlers building camps and moving in caravans, but would also stand side by side with Gypsies taking over fields etc in the UK....
I've got no time for the more extreme Jews, but neither have I time for Hamas supporters or extreme right or left wingers.... its the pure hypocrisy of these pro Palestine types like Lineker and Louis that really pisses me off, the loveable Palestine that state sanctions the killing of homosexuals, STATE sanctions, not just 'some people don't like gays', the state doesn't like you....
Kamov said:
It is very one sided and does paint the Palestinians' as victims and all lovely salt of the earth types, plays heavy on the fact many of the settlers are Jews from America and very white.
It is what it is, of course you can go to Israel and find people that are extreme in their views, but you can pretty much anywhere, you could go and interview an extreme bunch of Indian's or Pakistani's about each other and get similar results.
The Jews do seem to get far more flak than any other and it is pure anti-Semitism to do a one sided hit piece like this playing right to the 'in' crowd who despise settlers building camps and moving in caravans, but would also stand side by side with Gypsies taking over fields etc in the UK....
I've got no time for the more extreme Jews, but neither have I time for Hamas supporters or extreme right or left wingers.... its the pure hypocrisy of these pro Palestine types like Lineker and Louis that really pisses me off, the loveable Palestine that state sanctions the killing of homosexuals, STATE sanctions, not just 'some people don't like gays', the state doesn't like you....
I tend to agree with this view, it’s very one sided. It is what it is, of course you can go to Israel and find people that are extreme in their views, but you can pretty much anywhere, you could go and interview an extreme bunch of Indian's or Pakistani's about each other and get similar results.
The Jews do seem to get far more flak than any other and it is pure anti-Semitism to do a one sided hit piece like this playing right to the 'in' crowd who despise settlers building camps and moving in caravans, but would also stand side by side with Gypsies taking over fields etc in the UK....
I've got no time for the more extreme Jews, but neither have I time for Hamas supporters or extreme right or left wingers.... its the pure hypocrisy of these pro Palestine types like Lineker and Louis that really pisses me off, the loveable Palestine that state sanctions the killing of homosexuals, STATE sanctions, not just 'some people don't like gays', the state doesn't like you....
It does highlight some really nasty, bigoted individuals on the Israeli side - Daniella was particularly scary piece of work.
It would have been good to have some balance as I assume there’s a lot more to it than the documentary shows.
towser said:
I tend to agree with this view, it’s very one sided.
It does highlight some really nasty, bigoted individuals on the Israeli side - Daniella was particularly scary piece of work.
It would have been good to have some balance as I assume there’s a lot more to it than the documentary shows.
The balance is that in lets take the UK, 100 odd years ago we were at War with Germany, not the 'Nazi's' as that was a voted for government, it was Germany despite how we portray it now. It does highlight some really nasty, bigoted individuals on the Israeli side - Daniella was particularly scary piece of work.
It would have been good to have some balance as I assume there’s a lot more to it than the documentary shows.
Anyway so the Germans bombed our cities killing upwards of 40 odd thousand men women and children...
Yet here we are now today with a German manager of the England football team, German business's in the UK and loads of German cars....
Point being we, as in the UK, have been able to move on, still pay respects, but move on and see that it was a period of time and we don't hold proper grudges where we will still hold enough irrational anger to go taking it out on Germans today....
Over in Israel and the middle east they still have an anger from 2000 years ago or whatever... the whole mindset is wrong for any sort of functioning rational future.
All Louis has done here is show his Jewish guilt and provide a hit piece by taking the most unpleasant settlers he could find, largely brushing over the same types on the Palestinian side totally blind it would seem that this programme could make Jews who don't support they types in the programme face yet more hostility.
I don't ascribe to the idea that the BBC is a mouth piece for Hamas, that's crazy, but i do think this as a documentary was just too one sided...
Edited by Kamov on Tuesday 29th April 09:52
This form of documentary making is the flip side to going to an area in Braford and asking the local Muslim mob some leading questions and then presenting it as a fact that Muslim's are bad people.
Or going to a s
t hole estate and asking the local white English mob some leading questions and presenting it as a fact that we are all racists and thick...
Doing this with swingers or whatever is quite funny...doing it with serious subjects is gratuitous and its made me rethink all of his serious topic's he's covered now... and i am a massive Louis fan....
This was Israel bad, Palestinians down trodden but beautifully peaceful humans, which we know, is bullst. Like everything there is many many shades of grey to the point of needing to move to blue...
Or going to a s
t hole estate and asking the local white English mob some leading questions and presenting it as a fact that we are all racists and thick...Doing this with swingers or whatever is quite funny...doing it with serious subjects is gratuitous and its made me rethink all of his serious topic's he's covered now... and i am a massive Louis fan....
This was Israel bad, Palestinians down trodden but beautifully peaceful humans, which we know, is bulls
t. Like everything there is many many shades of grey to the point of needing to move to blue...Kamov said:
I've got no time for the more extreme Jews,
You know that the settlers are "the more extreme jews", right? Are you aware of what's been happening in the West Bank since 1967?if you don't think that State-approved ethnic cleansing is "extreme" then I'm not sure what you would consider to be too much.
Countdown said:
Kamov said:
I've got no time for the more extreme Jews,
You know that the settlers are "the more extreme jews", right? Are you aware of what's been happening in the West Bank since 1967?if you don't think that State-approved ethnic cleansing is "extreme" then I'm not sure what you would consider to be too much.
Countdown said:
You know that the settlers are "the more extreme jews", right? Are you aware of what's been happening in the West Bank since 1967?
if you don't think that State-approved ethnic cleansing is "extreme" then I'm not sure what you would consider to be too much.
And here they come, welcome one and all.if you don't think that State-approved ethnic cleansing is "extreme" then I'm not sure what you would consider to be too much.
So every settler is extreme? It was very telling that the Palestinian guy could say 'i was born here its my land', yet interview a white English bloke saying those very words would elicit disgust from the very same people championing this show...
Of course the whole situation is mental, anything to do with religion taken by its made up scriptures is mental. But to have an hour of not showing any of the Palestinian's chucking rocks and Molotov's etc at the IDF is one sided.
And as for some of the people he interviewed it would be like interviewing Ameer Choudhry and presenting him as the voice of Muslims. It would be totally unfair on the vast majority of Muslims.
In fact in the whole hour i never heard 'hamas' mentioned once. Not once...
Also on London streets we have had people holding up signs saying they support hezbolah and hamas, so why so shocked that some Jews support the more extreme outlooks.... because some people see the world as a paint chart and Jews are just too white.
I'm guessing we have some Kneecap fans here?
Extremism in any form is not a fair reflection of the whole party / state / religion.
But what he did show was the lengths that the Israel govt will go to and turn a blind eye.
He could do something similar on the other side of the wall as well and show the Arab view also.
But this was a documentary about the Settlers.
I have no fight to pick, but to see the level of cruelty that some exuded was quite sickening......
But what he did show was the lengths that the Israel govt will go to and turn a blind eye.
He could do something similar on the other side of the wall as well and show the Arab view also.
But this was a documentary about the Settlers.
I have no fight to pick, but to see the level of cruelty that some exuded was quite sickening......
Cupid-stunt said:
Extremism in any form is not a fair reflection of the whole party / state / religion.
But what he did show was the lengths that the Israel govt will go to and turn a blind eye.
He could do something similar on the other side of the wall as well and show the Arab view also.
But this was a documentary about the Settlers.
I have no fight to pick, but to see the level of cruelty that some exuded was quite sickening......
But the first one he did many years ago, he interviewed Jews working with Palestinian's and ones who were friends, far more balanced, Jews have married Palestinian's, none of that in this episode, just Louis Jewish guilt and need to show friends in showbiz he can still be invited to parties...But what he did show was the lengths that the Israel govt will go to and turn a blind eye.
He could do something similar on the other side of the wall as well and show the Arab view also.
But this was a documentary about the Settlers.
I have no fight to pick, but to see the level of cruelty that some exuded was quite sickening......
Cupid-stunt said:
Extremism in any form is not a fair reflection of the whole party / state / religion.
But what he did show was the lengths that the Israel govt will go to and turn a blind eye.
He could do something similar on the other side of the wall as well and show the Arab view also.
But this was a documentary about the Settlers.
I have no fight to pick, but to see the level of cruelty that some exuded was quite sickening......
Killing homosexuals by hanging them up publicly is sickening, I'd suggest someone saying 'the scriptures say this is our land' is demented, but not sickening...But what he did show was the lengths that the Israel govt will go to and turn a blind eye.
He could do something similar on the other side of the wall as well and show the Arab view also.
But this was a documentary about the Settlers.
I have no fight to pick, but to see the level of cruelty that some exuded was quite sickening......
The camera constantly panning to show Jews with machine guns is so tone deaf to fact we had Oct the 7th, I'd carry a gun around if I had friends who went to music festival and ended up shot, raped and kidnapped...
I have no skin in the game but the portrayal of Palestinians by the folks like Lineker and his ilk is f
king vomit inducing.To say all Palestinians are bad is f
king dumb, as is saying they are all wonderful simple folks is equally fking dumb... Kamov said:
Of course the whole situation is mental, anything to do with religion taken by its made up scriptures is mental. But to have an hour of not showing any of the Palestinian's chucking rocks and Molotov's etc at the IDF is one sided.
Why are the IDF in the West Bank? Why are there Israelis in the West Bank? Why are there Israeli houses, settlements and walls in the West Bank?It's all f
ked up and nothing will change until America stops enabling it and puts pressure on for a two state solution.Kamov said:
And here they come, welcome one and all.
So every settler is extreme? It was very telling that the Palestinian guy could say 'i was born here its my land', yet interview a white English bloke saying those very words would elicit disgust from the very same people championing this show...
Of course the whole situation is mental, anything to do with religion taken by its made up scriptures is mental. But to have an hour of not showing any of the Palestinian's chucking rocks and Molotov's etc at the IDF is one sided.
And as for some of the people he interviewed it would be like interviewing Ameer Choudhry and presenting him as the voice of Muslims. It would be totally unfair on the vast majority of Muslims.
In fact in the whole hour i never heard 'hamas' mentioned once. Not once...
Also on London streets we have had people holding up signs saying they support hezbolah and hamas, so why so shocked that some Jews support the more extreme outlooks.... because some people see the world as a paint chart and Jews are just too white.
I'm guessing we have some Kneecap fans here?
Sorry buddy but that’s a load of sensationalist drivel! It was a tv program about Israeli settlers on Palestinian lands and shows the total misery and threat the local populace lives under. Why does it have to be any more than that? So every settler is extreme? It was very telling that the Palestinian guy could say 'i was born here its my land', yet interview a white English bloke saying those very words would elicit disgust from the very same people championing this show...
Of course the whole situation is mental, anything to do with religion taken by its made up scriptures is mental. But to have an hour of not showing any of the Palestinian's chucking rocks and Molotov's etc at the IDF is one sided.
And as for some of the people he interviewed it would be like interviewing Ameer Choudhry and presenting him as the voice of Muslims. It would be totally unfair on the vast majority of Muslims.
In fact in the whole hour i never heard 'hamas' mentioned once. Not once...
Also on London streets we have had people holding up signs saying they support hezbolah and hamas, so why so shocked that some Jews support the more extreme outlooks.... because some people see the world as a paint chart and Jews are just too white.
I'm guessing we have some Kneecap fans here?
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