Is it possible to dispute a Motorway Temporary speed NIP?

[dave-the-diver]

Last week I received a NIP for a camera that clocked me at 74mph in a temporary 60 limit southbound on the M1.

This week I have been offered a speed awareness course, and will probably accept the offer.

Thing is, I genuinely don't believe I had sailed through "60" speed limit signs.

The car also reads speed limits signs, and adjust the adaptive cruise accordingly. Obviously not infallible, but pretty good.

NIP shows me in the outside lane, and some clever lines superimposed on the picture, from which 74mph is presumptuously calculated. On this picture there is no indication of the speed limit in force, although the caption below suggest the limit had been in place for 34 minutes.

A second picture shows me approaching a gantry showing a 60 limit and both I, and the the car on the inboard lane from me, are braking.

I remember the speed limits were quite "dynamic" on the day, and I genuinely believe that I was in a 70 limit, and the 60 showed in the second photo was the start of the reduced zone..

As I said at the top, accepting the awareness course is certainly the path of least resistance, and almost certainly the right this to do.

However, given there is no photographic evidence I was in a 60 limit when the camera (off to the left side of the carriageway) took the snap, has anyone ever successful disputed a similar prosecution?

Many thanks

David

[E-bmw]

dave-the-diver said:

Last week I received a NIP for a camera that clocked me at 74mph in a temporary 60 limit southbound on the M1.

This week I have been offered a speed awareness course, and will probably accept the offer.

Thing is, I genuinely don't believe I had sailed through "60" speed limit signs.

The car also reads speed limits signs, and adjust the adaptive cruise accordingly. Obviously not infallible, but pretty good.

NIP shows me in the outside lane, and some clever lines superimposed on the picture, from which 74mph is presumptuously calculated. On this picture there is no indication of the speed limit in force, although the caption below suggest the limit had been in place for 34 minutes.

A second picture shows me approaching a gantry showing a 60 limit and both I, and the the car on the inboard lane from me, are braking.

I remember the speed limits were quite "dynamic" on the day, and I genuinely believe that I was in a 70 limit, and the 60 showed in the second photo was the start of the reduced zone..

As I said at the top, accepting the awareness course is certainly the path of least resistance, and almost certainly the right this to do.

However, given there is no photographic evidence I was in a 60 limit when the camera (off to the left side of the carriageway) took the snap, has anyone ever successful disputed a similar prosecution?

Many thanks

David

So, from your own description one pic shows you entering a 60 zone & the other shows you speeding, so what exactly is it you are hoping to dispute?

[BertBert]

On the basis that that is exactly how the cams work, you might be stretched to repudiate!

[QJumper]

Whilst it may be possible to dispute it, I'd be cautious of doing so in case the appeal failed and the option of a speed awareness course as removed.

All depends on whether you feel it's worth trying to save £100 and a few hours, against the possible risk of points and a fine, as well as all the admin back and forth.

[BertBert]

QJumper said:

All depends on whether you feel it's worth trying to save £100 and a few hours, against the possible risk of points and a fine, as well as all the admin back and forth.

To challenge, you'd have to plead not guilty, go to court and make your arguments there. Hugely different from just doing a SAC!!!

[littleredrooster]

OP - you seem to think that the photographs refer to two different gantries; they don't - they are the same gantry, one on approach showing the limit in force, the other after passing the same gantry showing your car and the speed recorded by the electronic detector (not the lines, although I believe they can be used to corroborate the speed if needed).

[skyebear]

The picture of the gantry showing 60 is to prove what the posted limit was. The photo with lines measuring speed is you after this gantry.

If you were measured at 74mph your speedo was probably ~78mph and if the picture shows you braking you may have been in excess of 80mph on approach to the gantry. Not a criticism, just an observation.

You could always remove any identifying info and post the pics. Someone can probably explain in more detail how the system works.

[mac96]

In any case you were exceeding the basic 70mph limit, so unless you are disputing the 74mph recorded speed surely there is little chance of successfully pleading NG, regardless of whether you were in a 60mph zone or not?
I'd take the SAC and move on.

[dave-the-diver]

littleredrooster said:

OP - you seem to think that the photographs refer to two different gantries; they don'

Noise of penny dropping.

In which case, your honor, it's a fair cop and I shall enjoy my dish of humble pie.

Many thanks for all the sensible responses.

David

[KungFuPanda]

You say you had a genuine belief that you were in a 70 zone. What evidence did you have at the time to form that belief?

Take it to a Court hearing before Magistrates if you want to have your day in Court.

[The Gauge]

Opt for a police voluntary interview, folk on here love those.