Notice of intended prosecution
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I've received a notice of prosecution for driving without reasonable consideration for others. The only thing I think it could be was a minor incident last week at a road works temporary light set up and I'd like your opinions on if I am guilty or not.
I believe I was caught on camera by the car at the red light at the other end of these road works, they beeped me and looked most upset. I assume they took great offense and took their dash cam footage to the police or something. I'm not entirely sure yet as I've only just got the letter and I'm yet to work out why they were even mad.
It was a straight road and the road works was a new bus stop being built, as I joined that road off a round about it was green to drive through and there was a taxi in front of me. I am the red square.
As I drive through the green light the taxi stops for whatever reason and just basically parks in the road, I assumed he was letting someone out.
At this point I am past the green light and cannot see it any more, so assuming the oncoming traffic was on a red light I drove around the taxi. I did this pretty much straight away.
This is when the karens in the black car (for the colour of their soul) beeped me and freaked out. I looked over as I past them to see they were on a green light. I assume this is why they were vexed.
Now I went through on a green light, 100%.
The taxi in front of me in my opinion is the retard here. Why did he have to stop there in the middle of temporary road works...
I personally think I've done nothing wrong.
am I the retard?
I believe I was caught on camera by the car at the red light at the other end of these road works, they beeped me and looked most upset. I assume they took great offense and took their dash cam footage to the police or something. I'm not entirely sure yet as I've only just got the letter and I'm yet to work out why they were even mad.
It was a straight road and the road works was a new bus stop being built, as I joined that road off a round about it was green to drive through and there was a taxi in front of me. I am the red square.
As I drive through the green light the taxi stops for whatever reason and just basically parks in the road, I assumed he was letting someone out.
At this point I am past the green light and cannot see it any more, so assuming the oncoming traffic was on a red light I drove around the taxi. I did this pretty much straight away.
This is when the karens in the black car (for the colour of their soul) beeped me and freaked out. I looked over as I past them to see they were on a green light. I assume this is why they were vexed.
Now I went through on a green light, 100%.
The taxi in front of me in my opinion is the retard here. Why did he have to stop there in the middle of temporary road works...
I personally think I've done nothing wrong.
am I the retard?
TopPlonker said:
I've received a notice of prosecution for driving without reasonable consideration for others. The only thing I think it could be was a minor incident last week at a road works temporary light set up and I'd like your opinions on if I am guilty or not.
I believe I was caught on camera by the car at the red light at the other end of these road works, they beeped me and looked most upset. I assume they took great offense and took their dash cam footage to the police or something. I'm not entirely sure yet as I've only just got the letter and I'm yet to work out why they were even mad.
It was a straight road and the road works was a new bus stop being built, as I joined that road off a round about it was green to drive through and there was a taxi in front of me. I am the red square.
As I drive through the green light the taxi stops for whatever reason and just basically parks in the road, I assumed he was letting someone out.
At this point I am past the green light and cannot see it any more, so assuming the oncoming traffic was on a red light I drove around the taxi. I did this pretty much straight away.
This is when the karens in the black car (for the colour of their soul) beeped me and freaked out. I looked over as I past them to see they were on a green light. I assume this is why they were vexed.
Now I went through on a green light, 100%.
The taxi in front of me in my opinion is the retard here. Why did he have to stop there in the middle of temporary road works...
I personally think I've done nothing wrong.
am I the retard?
Did the taxi follow you out? Or stayed put and blocked the road for the Karens? I believe I was caught on camera by the car at the red light at the other end of these road works, they beeped me and looked most upset. I assume they took great offense and took their dash cam footage to the police or something. I'm not entirely sure yet as I've only just got the letter and I'm yet to work out why they were even mad.
It was a straight road and the road works was a new bus stop being built, as I joined that road off a round about it was green to drive through and there was a taxi in front of me. I am the red square.
As I drive through the green light the taxi stops for whatever reason and just basically parks in the road, I assumed he was letting someone out.
At this point I am past the green light and cannot see it any more, so assuming the oncoming traffic was on a red light I drove around the taxi. I did this pretty much straight away.
This is when the karens in the black car (for the colour of their soul) beeped me and freaked out. I looked over as I past them to see they were on a green light. I assume this is why they were vexed.
Now I went through on a green light, 100%.
The taxi in front of me in my opinion is the retard here. Why did he have to stop there in the middle of temporary road works...
I personally think I've done nothing wrong.
am I the retard?
I have no idea if the taxi followed me out, I didn't think to take notice at the time.
I'm hoping the footage shows the position of the light on my side of the road, if I enter a temp light on green surely there's no expectation for me to wait in that zone.
The taxi could only have stopped in front of me for 5-10 seconds maybe before I went around him.
Robertb said:
I don’t think you did anything worthy of a careless driving NIP on the basis of what you’ve said.
Presumably the police need to provide evidence?
I assume they need to do that, I've no idea to be honest as I've not been in trouble with the plod before.Presumably the police need to provide evidence?
I'm hoping the footage shows the position of the light on my side of the road, if I enter a temp light on green surely there's no expectation for me to wait in that zone.
The taxi could only have stopped in front of me for 5-10 seconds maybe before I went around him.
I'm guessing the Karen assumes you did what so many people do at these types of roadworks and keep going through well after the lights have changed
I'm not sure what you'll be able to do to challenge it though. I'm assuming she has a dashcam of you coming through when her light was green.
I'm not sure what you'll be able to do to challenge it though. I'm assuming she has a dashcam of you coming through when her light was green.
From what you’ve stated, your actions seem fine I think. You went on a green, and performed a safe manoeuvre and progressed through the roadworks.
Green doesn’t mean go, as there might be an obstruction, so the Karen had no right to proceed with traffic still coming through. I can’t see how dashcam evidence from Karen can determine whether or not you went through a red or not.
The only aspect that doesn’t sound entirely positive, is you said firstly that you immediately went around the taxi. Then you said later it was no more than 10 seconds. If the police believed you were stopping unduly (which would imo be unfair) then perhaps they are seeing that as an issue.
Failing that, either the police have seen something else that hasn’t been described above or it was a different incident.
Reply stating you were driving, but also ask to see the evidence.
Green doesn’t mean go, as there might be an obstruction, so the Karen had no right to proceed with traffic still coming through. I can’t see how dashcam evidence from Karen can determine whether or not you went through a red or not.
The only aspect that doesn’t sound entirely positive, is you said firstly that you immediately went around the taxi. Then you said later it was no more than 10 seconds. If the police believed you were stopping unduly (which would imo be unfair) then perhaps they are seeing that as an issue.
Failing that, either the police have seen something else that hasn’t been described above or it was a different incident.
Reply stating you were driving, but also ask to see the evidence.
If the light was green when you passed it, and you had no way to know the lights had changed at the point the taxi stopped, I don't think you did anything wrong.
Normally you get these scenarios when it's a cyclist or tractor or other slow moving traffic that can't make it all the way through to the end of the section before the lights change and encounter someone too stupid to realise that their light being green does not mean the road is clear, and the instruction for a green light is "go if the way is clear" for a reason.
Normally you get these scenarios when it's a cyclist or tractor or other slow moving traffic that can't make it all the way through to the end of the section before the lights change and encounter someone too stupid to realise that their light being green does not mean the road is clear, and the instruction for a green light is "go if the way is clear" for a reason.
Countdown said:
I'm guessing the Karen assumes you did what so many people do at these types of roadworks and keep going through well after the lights have changed
I'm not sure what you'll be able to do to challenge it though. I'm assuming she has a dashcam of you coming through when her light was green.
Her dashcam footage of me being being past the lights on my side will surely be enough here?I'm not sure what you'll be able to do to challenge it though. I'm assuming she has a dashcam of you coming through when her light was green.
My assumption is that the cam car thought that the taxi had stopped at the red light, and that you had jumped the red light by overtaking the taxi, hence them submitting their footage.
If you get a chance to see the dash cam footage for yourself, make sure that you check what happens with the taxi. If the taxi is seen to follow you through the road works, or is seen still stopped after the lights, then that supports your version of events.
For the cam car's version to be true, the taxi would need to be seen on the footage as stopped before the red light, as the cam car comes through.
If you get a chance to see the dash cam footage for yourself, make sure that you check what happens with the taxi. If the taxi is seen to follow you through the road works, or is seen still stopped after the lights, then that supports your version of events.
For the cam car's version to be true, the taxi would need to be seen on the footage as stopped before the red light, as the cam car comes through.
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