Very smart looking GT430 with 620bhp from its V6 on CC

Very smart looking GT430 with 620bhp from its V6 on CC

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BertBert

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20,269 posts

225 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Just spotted this https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2018-lotus-evo...

Nothing to do with me! Looks very smart, nay magnificent and at no reserve will sell!

Wonderful

CTE

1,503 posts

254 months

Wednesday 14th May
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Looks fantastic, why couldn't Lotus have dome this first time round?? Wouldn't want to insure it though... looks like it might be a development car?

BAMoFo

923 posts

270 months

Thursday 15th May
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I bid on it at £70k but two competing bidders took it all the way to £86K. I wanted to revert it back to as close as standard as possible, so in the end it wasn't worthwhile for me to bid any higher. A very special car indeed though.

BertBert

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20,269 posts

225 months

Thursday 15th May
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Just curious, why would you want it back to original?

sjc

14,821 posts

284 months

Thursday 15th May
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That’s 15-20 grand of conversion spent only last year !

Frimley111R

16,953 posts

248 months

Friday 16th May
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CTE said:
Looks fantastic, why couldn't Lotus have dome this first time round?? Wouldn't want to insure it though... looks like it might be a development car?
Probably because it would have added a huge amount to the new cost and the engines would have been blowing up all over the place. At least 400ish bhp is going to give you good longevity and decent power.

Babw

946 posts

160 months

Tuesday 27th May
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I was one of the bidders that just lost out, I wasn’t willing to pay more than a good stock car.

I spoke to Jubu at length about the car, this is a 60-70k conversion, not 15k. They’ve done a tremendous amount of R&D for the Radfors cars and Syvecs are a standout company so I would be confident of the build. They’ve also used a very similar engine on thr Pikes Peak car. The 2GR is a solid engine to begin with, designed for much heavier workloads.

My sister has a Rav 4 in Oz with near 200k miles they use for lugging stuff around a farm, doesn’t use a drop of oil.

I’m in the process of picking up an Emira and will either go for a Jubu 550 or Komotec 550 conversion. Leaves a bit of headroom as the build is the same as the 600.

I have an Exige Komotec 460 which has 4000 track miles on it and it’s been solid.

sjc

14,821 posts

284 months

Tuesday 27th May
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Babw said:
I was one of the bidders that just lost out, I wasn’t willing to pay more than a good stock car.

I spoke to Jubu at length about the car, this is a 60-70k conversion, not 15k. They’ve done a tremendous amount of R&D for the Radfors cars and Syvecs are a standout company so I would be confident of the build. They’ve also used a very similar engine on thr Pikes Peak car. The 2GR is a solid engine to begin with, designed for much heavier workloads.

My sister has a Rav 4 in Oz with near 200k miles they use for lugging stuff around a farm, doesn’t use a drop of oil.

I’m in the process of picking up an Emira and will either go for a Jubu 550 or Komotec 550 conversion. Leaves a bit of headroom as the build is the same as the 600.

I have an Exige Komotec 460 which has 4000 track miles on it and it’s been solid.
The only two 430's for sale are over 90 grand so this maybe wasn't more than a stock car?.. looks a cracking buy for someone. I'll also be going Komotec but prob just the 475 when my Emira is out of warrranty ( if it ever turns up !), after that it seems like the law of ever decreasing returns cost wise?


Shnozz

28,822 posts

285 months

Tuesday 27th May
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Babw said:
I was one of the bidders that just lost out, I wasn’t willing to pay more than a good stock car.

I spoke to Jubu at length about the car, this is a 60-70k conversion, not 15k. They’ve done a tremendous amount of R&D for the Radfors cars and Syvecs are a standout company so I would be confident of the build. They’ve also used a very similar engine on thr Pikes Peak car. The 2GR is a solid engine to begin with, designed for much heavier workloads.

My sister has a Rav 4 in Oz with near 200k miles they use for lugging stuff around a farm, doesn’t use a drop of oil.

I’m in the process of picking up an Emira and will either go for a Jubu 550 or Komotec 550 conversion. Leaves a bit of headroom as the build is the same as the 600.

I have an Exige Komotec 460 which has 4000 track miles on it and it’s been solid.
Be very interested to follow your progress with the Emira if you were to ever do a readers cars? Some collection you have!

Babw

946 posts

160 months

Tuesday 27th May
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sjc said:
Babw said:
I was one of the bidders that just lost out, I wasn’t willing to pay more than a good stock car.

I spoke to Jubu at length about the car, this is a 60-70k conversion, not 15k. They’ve done a tremendous amount of R&D for the Radfors cars and Syvecs are a standout company so I would be confident of the build. They’ve also used a very similar engine on thr Pikes Peak car. The 2GR is a solid engine to begin with, designed for much heavier workloads.

My sister has a Rav 4 in Oz with near 200k miles they use for lugging stuff around a farm, doesn’t use a drop of oil.

I’m in the process of picking up an Emira and will either go for a Jubu 550 or Komotec 550 conversion. Leaves a bit of headroom as the build is the same as the 600.

I have an Exige Komotec 460 which has 4000 track miles on it and it’s been solid.
The only two 430's for sale are over 90 grand so this maybe wasn't more than a stock car?.. looks a cracking buy for someone. I'll also be going Komotec but prob just the 475 when my Emira is out of warrranty ( if it ever turns up !), after that it seems like the law of ever decreasing returns cost wise?
With the fees it was over 90k and I started bidding at 69k hoping to catch a bargain! The other bidder was very determined so was happy to bow out.

Also a chap sold his mint 430 for 70k recently, I think at 90+ they’re not moving. Lovely car but really I would have liked a 430GT, don’t need two Lotuses with big wings.

sjc

14,821 posts

284 months

Tuesday 27th May
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Yeh the chap who sold the 70k one was a one man indi who was retiring 31st March and wanted it gone at the end of his financial year .. I missed that car by two hours! Certainly agree that into the 90’s and you’d really have to want one.

Olivera

8,059 posts

253 months

Tuesday 27th May
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sjc said:
The only two 430's for sale are over 90 grand so this maybe wasn't more than a stock car?.. looks a cracking buy for someone. I'll also be going Komotec but prob just the 475 when my Emira is out of warrranty ( if it ever turns up !), after that it seems like the law of ever decreasing returns cost wise?
The ad clearly states that the engine has been rebuilt from the ground up by Jubu, so as Babw stated it's had a *lot* (60-70k+) spent on it.

sjc

14,821 posts

284 months

Tuesday 27th May
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Olivera said:
sjc said:
The only two 430's for sale are over 90 grand so this maybe wasn't more than a stock car?.. looks a cracking buy for someone. I'll also be going Komotec but prob just the 475 when my Emira is out of warrranty ( if it ever turns up !), after that it seems like the law of ever decreasing returns cost wise?
The ad clearly states that the engine has been rebuilt from the ground up by Jubu, so as Babw stated it's had a *lot* (60-70k+) spent on it.
Hell of a lot to spend and get out of it a year later.

BAMoFo

923 posts

270 months

Wednesday 28th May
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BertBert said:
Just curious, why would you want it back to original?
1. I wouldn't ever use the car on track so it would be a waste for my intended use case.
2. I have previously owned a few very heavily modified cars and they have never lived up to my expectations and can be more difficult to resolve problems.
3. I believe that in the future originality will be more desirable.

Fantastic car though all the same.

BAMoFo

923 posts

270 months

Wednesday 28th May
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sjc said:
Yeh the chap who sold the 70k one was a one man indi who was retiring 31st March and wanted it gone at the end of his financial year .. I missed that car by two hours! Certainly agree that into the 90 s and you d really have to want one.
Not quite the same car, but a friend of mine sold an Exige 430 Cup on Collecting Cars a couple of years ago for £70k plus fees. At the time people on SELOC were saying that he was mad because other cars were advertised for £90k+. He had to sell because he needed the money for a house purchase. I think it created quite a stir and made people reconsider what the true values were.

Olivera

8,059 posts

253 months

Wednesday 28th May
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BAMoFo said:
1. I wouldn't ever use the car on track so it would be a waste for my intended use case.
2. I have previously owned a few very heavily modified cars and they have never lived up to my expectations and can be more difficult to resolve problems.
3. I believe that in the future originality will be more desirable.

Fantastic car though all the same.
It's a highly modified car, so there's not really any prospect of getting it back to standard unless you're prepared to rebuild much of the car.

BAMoFo

923 posts

270 months

Wednesday 28th May
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Olivera said:
It's a highly modified car, so there's not really any prospect of getting it back to standard unless you're prepared to rebuild much of the car.
A lot of the original bits were available with the car. I'd have refitted them including the factory ECU. As far as I can estimate I think the only engine internal components that may need to be changed would be the camshafts. However,they are not an aggressive profile so may work within the parameters of the factory ECU with a bit of mapping.

Olivera

8,059 posts

253 months

Wednesday 28th May
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BAMoFo said:
A lot of the original bits were available with the car. I'd have refitted them including the factory ECU. As far as I can estimate I think the only engine internal components that may need to be changed would be the camshafts. However,they are not an aggressive profile so may work within the parameters of the factory ECU with a bit of mapping.
It's had an entire engine rebuild (forged pistons, replacement connecting rods, re-profiled camshafts, plus a *lot* else that's probably not stated in the ad), plus supercharger and ECU, and a lot of supporting mods. The ECU alone will come with wiring so the lots of the original loom will be missing. Good luck re-fitting all of that, it's a *massive* job, not to mention a huge waste of a reputably tuned car.

BAMoFo

923 posts

270 months

Wednesday 28th May
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It is a moot point now, because someone else has bought the car, but the forged internals are for strengthening the engine more than anything else. I am an engineer and am confident that I would have got it much closer to standard for my taste. The transmission including driveshafts would have been left untouched.

Gadzookoids

98 posts

146 months

Wednesday 28th May
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BAMoFo said:
It is a moot point now, because someone else has bought the car, but the forged internals are for strengthening the engine more than anything else. I am an engineer and am confident that I would have got it much closer to standard for my taste. The transmission including driveshafts would have been left untouched.
The driveshafts were replaced and the gearbox strengthened and a different flywheel and clutch fitted. So it would be a lot of work to put it back to original. I think the oil cooling was upgraded too. It would certainly be 'a project'