Righr shoulder bicep pain.

[Huzzah]

I've been suffering for a month or so, it's not really getting better, feels like a muscle strain. Not sure how or when it happened.

Dull pain and ache, sharp sometimes with movement or leaning/lying on that side. Some movement is awkward/painful, getting dressed for example.

I don't think it's a frozen shoulder, not as disabling as the one I had in my other shoulder yrs ago.

GP, physio or just leave a bit longer?

[Chimune]

Rotator cuff ?

[the-norseman]

I get exactly the same pain if I do bench press or dumbbell press on the right side.

[spikeyhead]

If you can find a decent physio then use them

Try https://360injuryclinic.co.uk/ if they're not too far from you. Aaron is very good.

[danb79]

Huzzah said:

I've been suffering for a month or so, it's not really getting better, feels like a muscle strain. Not sure how or when it happened.

Dull pain and ache, sharp sometimes with movement or leaning/lying on that side. Some movement is awkward/painful, getting dressed for example.

I don't think it's a frozen shoulder, not as disabling as the one I had in my other shoulder yrs ago.

GP, physio or just leave a bit longer?

This could be a long head or short head bicep tendon issue; exactly what I struggle with on my right shoulder - rehab with very light weights and tension bands help it a lot, but it's damage I'll not get fixed due to ignoring it for so long and training with it

Would highly recommend seeing a decent sports physio and/or osteopath - no need for a chiropractor at this stage. The first 2 will have you sorted

It could be a neck issue too and the pains referring; but deffo get it seen to and go from there

[Huzzah]

Thanks chaps, rotator cuff seems to fit. I'm taking exercise easy, avoiding side planks for instance.

I've referred myself to the local NHS physio and we'll go from there.

[danb79]

Huzzah said:

Thanks chaps, rotator cuff seems to fit. I'm taking exercise easy, avoiding side planks for instance.

I've referred myself to the local NHS physio and we'll go from there.

I'd stay away from anything NHS related; they know nothing...

Stick with a decent indy sports physio; they'll have you sorted

[Huzzah]

danb79 said:

Huzzah said:

Thanks chaps, rotator cuff seems to fit. I'm taking exercise easy, avoiding side planks for instance.

I've referred myself to the local NHS physio and we'll go from there.

I'd stay away from anything NHS related; they know nothing...

Stick with a decent indy sports physio; they'll have you sorted

That's a wide generalisation, like most things it depends on the practioner as as much as the organisation.

I've seen excellent and some rather average NHS physios.

[Freakuk]

Sounds like rotator cuff, weirdly I smashed my right shoulder up some years ago (collarbone pinned and plated) and went through this, last week out of nowhere it's returned and I am struggling to lift my arm when extended, sharp pain top of my bicep.

I asked my consultant at the time whether I needed physio and he said you can probably just look on YT and get all of the exercises you need, which I did and I am doing again currently.

For you I think you need to confirm what you have first and then go from there with your recovery plan.

[90CHPAXL]

danb79 said:

Huzzah said:

Thanks chaps, rotator cuff seems to fit. I'm taking exercise easy, avoiding side planks for instance.

I've referred myself to the local NHS physio and we'll go from there.

I'd stay away from anything NHS related; they know nothing...

Stick with a decent indy sports physio; they'll have you sorted

I agree, NHS physio deal with basic generalisations. And often catered to but not exclusive to elderly people.

An independent physio who are highly rated (usually involved with pro-sports teams) are usually the best bet. Speaking from experience.

Also, research "Shoulder bursitis"

Its what I've suffered with for a year now, and had surgery with. I wrote a post on this very subforum, cant be too far back. See if it relates

[Chimune]

Been through this recently.

For rotator cuff consultant suggested this:
https://bess.ac.uk/exercises-for-shoulder-pain/

For frozen shoulder: specialist suggested this:

[danb79]

Huzzah said:

That's a wide generalisation, like most things it depends on the practioner as as much as the organisation.

I've seen excellent and some rather average NHS physios.

It's not - everyone I've seen, and folk I know that have seen others as well; have been absolutely useless and a complete waste of time. No knowledge at all bar the basics

Each to their own; but I wouldn't go anywhere near them personally

[Gone a bit AMG]

danb79 said:

Huzzah said:

That's a wide generalisation, like most things it depends on the practioner as as much as the organisation.

I've seen excellent and some rather average NHS physios.

It's not - everyone I've seen, and folk I know that have seen others as well; have been absolutely useless and a complete waste of time. No knowledge at all bar the basics

Each to their own; but I wouldn't go anywhere near them personally

Really? The largest employer in the uk doesn’t have competent employees in their chosen specialised discipline? I’m glad you're not adding to queue of folk needing treatment and I do hope if you never need emergency assistance you get the service you need. It won’t be refused but it should be for folks like yourself.

[Speed 3]

Huzzah said:

Thanks chaps, rotator cuff seems to fit. I'm taking exercise easy, avoiding side planks for instance.

I've referred myself to the local NHS physio and we'll go from there.

Wouldn't be surprised if it is a rotator cuff. When I had similar pain and and an ultrasound they reckoned 50% of people over 50 have undiagnosed tears. It's the most complicated single joint in the body and subject to a great many multi-directional loads. I was having physio on mine when covid struck and having got a temporary job with Tesco delivery to keep me sane the repetitive action of loading and unloading trays off the vans had me sorted in no time. I also found one of these recommended by the physio useful for several unloaded exercises:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bilbear-Shoulder-Physical...

[Dog Biscuit]

You need an ultrasound to see what damage there may be.

I'm living with a similar pain and I have bursitis and tendonitis.

You could have this too, or a torn rotator cuff

It's not right to go straight to a physio until you know whats happened. Then the appropriate path can be followed

Trust me on this

[Bill]

Dog Biscuit said:

You need an ultrasound to see what damage there may be.

I'm living with a similar pain and I have bursitis and tendonitis.

You could have this too, or a torn rotator cuff

It's not right to go straight to a physio until you know whats happened. Then the appropriate path can be followed

Trust me on this

With something like this (ie <4 weeks, insidious onset) you really don't as it's unlikely to change management the first line of which which is physio. Depending on his age (>50 where I am) he may need an x-ray first anyway.

Go see a physio - potentially self refer or potentially see an advance practitioner in your GP surgery, or get a referral from your GP. In my area with an acute injury the wait should be less than 2 weeks. They can diagnose and refer on if needed.

[90CHPAXL]

Gone a bit AMG said:

danb79 said:

Huzzah said:

That's a wide generalisation, like most things it depends on the practioner as as much as the organisation.

I've seen excellent and some rather average NHS physios.

It's not - everyone I've seen, and folk I know that have seen others as well; have been absolutely useless and a complete waste of time. No knowledge at all bar the basics

Each to their own; but I wouldn't go anywhere near them personally

Really? The largest employer in the uk doesn t have competent employees in their chosen specialised discipline? I m glad you're not adding to queue of folk needing treatment and I do hope if you never need emergency assistance you get the service you need. It won t be refused but it should be for folks like yourself.

Completely uncalled for, and you're missing what he is saying.

The NHS is understaffed and overburdened. They don't have the time to deep dive into your individual need like a private physio does.
For shoulder - and I can speak from experience, WITHOUT a scan and proof in the pudding, they give you a general examination, and prescribe basic movements. Movements that are so basic that any sod can do them regardless of age. What is accessible for a 75 year old with frozen shoulder should not be applied to a 25 year old who has undiagnosed (via scans) rotator cuff issues. Yet that is what the NHS physio's give out.

Attacks at whether someone should be allowed emergency service treatment based on their preference of paying for physio over using NHS is repugnant.

[Gone a bit AMG]

90CHPAXL said:

Completely uncalled for, and you're missing what he is saying.

The NHS is understaffed and overburdened. They don't have the time to deep dive into your individual need like a private physio does.
For shoulder - and I can speak from experience, WITHOUT a scan and proof in the pudding, they give you a general examination, and prescribe basic movements. Movements that are so basic that any sod can do them regardless of age. What is accessible for a 75 year old with frozen shoulder should not be applied to a 25 year old who has undiagnosed (via scans) rotator cuff issues. Yet that is what the NHS physio's give out.

Attacks at whether someone should be allowed emergency service treatment based on their preference of paying for physio over using NHS is repugnant.

Your assessment of the NHS physio service is incorrect.