Illegal Way Of Avoiding Points

[bad company]

This is a new one on me and obviously VERY risky. A mate of mine did jail time for similar. He had 9 points already and falsely claimed someone else was driving when he got caught speeding.

https://stocks.apple.com/AeZJFpYfdQYqjlCyBLtGi9w

[Mammasaid]

It's nothing new, been going on for years, however the authorities are now starting to crack down on it better.

P.S. Non-apple link to original source

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/drivers-pena...

[Glassman]

I fitted a windscreen for someone and he was saying how much he liked my van. I commented that I should be taking extra care in it after picking up a couple of speeding convictions. This when he invited me to contact him if I get another one. I wanted to believe he was particularly good at finding loopholes but I now suspect he was offering to 'make the problem disappear'.

[ChocolateFrog]

I thought wealthy people paying students and the like to take points was not uncommon.

If you've got money then spending say £500 is orders of magnitude less painful than a driving ban.

And probably 10x cheaper than paying Mr Loophole.

Even more common to share points with the missus.

[bad company]

Couples I know still ‘swop points’ to avoid driving bans, the odd thing is that they openly talk about it. If Mrs BC and I did anything like that we’d keep it between us.

Very hard to detect husband & wife swapping points as both generally share the same cars and insurance.

[Tony1963]

bad company said:

Very hard to detect husband & wife swapping points as both generally share the same cars and insurance.

But not the same face or tracking on their smartphones. Just a matter of time for many.

[Frimley111R]

Tony1963 said:

bad company said:

Very hard to detect husband & wife swapping points as both generally share the same cars and insurance.

But not the same face or tracking on their smartphones. Just a matter of time for many.

Unless someone had a particular reason for doing this with a particular driver, there's absolutely no resource available or capable of doing this. That said, the way governments work, they'll be paying some tech company a couple of billion to work out how to do it and then a couple of billion more to implement it.

[vaud]

Tony1963 said:

bad company said:

Very hard to detect husband & wife swapping points as both generally share the same cars and insurance.

But not the same face or tracking on their smartphones. Just a matter of time for many.

True but for 3 points the probability of investigation is tiny when a partner living at the same address gives their details. My guess is the ones that set off an investigation is different address/overseas/etc

[bad company]

Tony1963 said:

bad company said:

Very hard to detect husband & wife swapping points as both generally share the same cars and insurance.

But not the same face or tracking on their smartphones. Just a matter of time for many.

Face, yes obviously but are the cameras that good? Couples often share the same phone accounts. I have 2 numbers on my account, Mrs BC uses one and I use the other but both in my name.

[SS2.]

vaud said:

My guess is the ones that set off an investigation is different address/overseas/etc

Or, as Chris Huhne will attest, where a bitter ex-wife spills the beans

[Mr Penguin]

bad company said:

Couples I know still swop points to avoid driving bans, the odd thing is that they openly talk about it. If Mrs BC and I did anything like that we d keep it between us.

Very hard to detect husband & wife swapping points as both generally share the same cars and insurance.

Unless one party admits it in a divorce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Huhne

[Countdown]

Weren't some people nominating friends/family who lived abroad?

[bad company]

Countdown said:

Weren't some people nominating friends/family who lived abroad?

Yes but then you’d need to show that they were insured to drive your vehicle.

[LastPoster]

Countdown said:

Weren't some people nominating friends/family who lived abroad?

No guarantee it won’t be followed up

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/799578...

[skyebear]

Fiona Onasanya:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshi...

She was a solicitor and MP who managed to turn what would have been a course or 3 points (41 in a 30) into three months in pokey for perverting the course of justice.

Her brother was also jailed for his part too.

[bad company]

LastPoster said:

Countdown said:

Weren't some people nominating friends/family who lived abroad?

No guarantee it won t be followed up

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/799578...

True but that was 20 year ago. I reckon you’d be really unlucky if something like that was investigated now, perhaps they just check the odd one. I sometimes think I should add my son who lives in the USA to my insurance, just in case.

[Mr Miata]

There were cases near me where someone s 90 year old frail grandmother, who could hardly get out of the nursing home, was repeatedly doing 120 mph in a Golf R or Audi S3 (with a bellend pops and bangs “tune”) across drugs county lines. And would do burnouts and donuts in McDonalds / Sports Direct car parks at 1 am.


Apparently.

[Durzel]

LastPoster said:

Countdown said:

Weren't some people nominating friends/family who lived abroad?

No guarantee it won t be followed up

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/799578...

Bit of an aside but it winds me up when people complain about the sentence (often prison) for stuff like this, saying "it's only a driving offence". No, "Perverting the Course of Justice" is an attack on the justice system itself - it's basically got nothing to do with the original offence.

[98elise]

Durzel said:

LastPoster said:

Countdown said:

Weren't some people nominating friends/family who lived abroad?

No guarantee it won t be followed up

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/799578...

Bit of an aside but it winds me up when people complain about the sentence (often prison) for stuff like this, saying "it's only a driving offence". No, "Perverting the Course of Justice" is an attack on the justice system itself - it's basically got nothing to do with the original offence.

Agreed. Its a separate crime, the speeding offence is just the motivation.

Thats why in the Fiona Onasanya case her brother was also convicted. He hadn't committed the speeding offence but was guilty of PCoJ.

[paul_c123]

"If you can't do the time don't do the crime" springs to mind here.