Hypothetical... accusation of bullying
Discussion
Person A and Person B work 1-2-1 in an unsupervised environment. A is B's line manager.
B has made a formal accusation of bulling against A which is 80% unfounded and presented in a very accusational way with another 2-3 saying "A" is nasty and rude.
10+ other people working with A (and B) have no issue with either.
Should A refuse to work with B unsupervised until this is resolved?
B has made a formal accusation of bulling against A which is 80% unfounded and presented in a very accusational way with another 2-3 saying "A" is nasty and rude.
10+ other people working with A (and B) have no issue with either.
Should A refuse to work with B unsupervised until this is resolved?
21TonyK said:
Sporky said:
The complaint is 20% founded?
Looking at it objectively A has been "off hand" with B and not very supportive. They also swore at them during a two way heated exchange.A can raise with HR that they do not feel comfortable working with B. However depending on HR the general approach is he said/she said and with no corroboration not a lot can be done.
That being said you also refer to 2-3 other people accusing A? Has A got any medical conditions which result in this behaviour or just an unhappy person at work?
Still amazes me that people get so bothered about being sworn at when grown adults. Admittedly it's slightly more tolerated in my workplace (prison) for obvious reasons, but in other jobs if I've been sworn at I either give as good as I get or I calmly walk away and tell them when they're ready to have a grown up conversation, I'm happy to continue. Being shouted at/talked down to is far worse than a bit of bad language to me.
If it was a two-way heated argument, then that's even more pathetic really. If I was person A, I wouldn't refuse to work alone with person B, but I'd certainly raise a grievance saying that due to the on-going investigation over bullying then does the company think it's a good idea? More as a CYA exercise than anything.
If it was a two-way heated argument, then that's even more pathetic really. If I was person A, I wouldn't refuse to work alone with person B, but I'd certainly raise a grievance saying that due to the on-going investigation over bullying then does the company think it's a good idea? More as a CYA exercise than anything.
Jasandjules said:
A swore at B? Did B swear at A?
That being said you also refer to 2-3 other people accusing A? Has A got any medical conditions which result in this behaviour or just an unhappy person at work?
The swearing was two way and part of a heated exchange. A few people have said A is sometimes abrupt and they consider rude (others dont say this).That being said you also refer to 2-3 other people accusing A? Has A got any medical conditions which result in this behaviour or just an unhappy person at work?
And yes, they are on medication which as a side effect could affect their mood.
Ekona said:
Still amazes me that people get so bothered about being sworn at when grown adults. Admittedly it's slightly more tolerated in my workplace (prison) for obvious reasons, but in other jobs if I've been sworn at I either give as good as I get or I calmly walk away and tell them when they're ready to have a grown up conversation, I'm happy to continue. Being shouted at/talked down to is far worse than a bit of bad language to me.
If it was a two-way heated argument, then that's even more pathetic really. If I was person A, I wouldn't refuse to work alone with person B, but I'd certainly raise a grievance saying that due to the on-going investigation over bullying then does the company think it's a good idea? More as a CYA exercise than anything.
Person A has booked a day off to avoid B for the moment.If it was a two-way heated argument, then that's even more pathetic really. If I was person A, I wouldn't refuse to work alone with person B, but I'd certainly raise a grievance saying that due to the on-going investigation over bullying then does the company think it's a good idea? More as a CYA exercise than anything.
21TonyK said:
Jasandjules said:
A swore at B? Did B swear at A?
That being said you also refer to 2-3 other people accusing A? Has A got any medical conditions which result in this behaviour or just an unhappy person at work?
The swearing was two way and part of a heated exchange. A few people have said A is sometimes abrupt and they consider rude (others dont say this).That being said you also refer to 2-3 other people accusing A? Has A got any medical conditions which result in this behaviour or just an unhappy person at work?
And yes, they are on medication which as a side effect could affect their mood.
Jasandjules said:
21TonyK said:
Jasandjules said:
Is that medication to treat what may be a disability?
Yes it is.Jasandjules said:
21TonyK said:
The condition does not affect them on a daily basis and the medication has not been mentioned AFAIK.
It does not have to per se. However I suppose nothing need be mentioned unless matters escalate if the person wants to retain that privacy. Ekona said:
Still amazes me that people get so bothered about being sworn at when grown adults. Admittedly it's slightly more tolerated in my workplace (prison) for obvious reasons, but in other jobs if I've been sworn at I either give as good as I get or I calmly walk away and tell them when they're ready to have a grown up conversation, I'm happy to continue. Being shouted at/talked down to is far worse than a bit of bad language to me.
If it was a two-way heated argument, then that's even more pathetic really. If I was person A, I wouldn't refuse to work alone with person B, but I'd certainly raise a grievance saying that due to the on-going investigation over bullying then does the company think it's a good idea? More as a CYA exercise than anything.
If one person is more senior to the other then the more junior person likely feels they’re not able to retaliate in the same manner through fear of further retribution If it was a two-way heated argument, then that's even more pathetic really. If I was person A, I wouldn't refuse to work alone with person B, but I'd certainly raise a grievance saying that due to the on-going investigation over bullying then does the company think it's a good idea? More as a CYA exercise than anything.
Ekona said:
Still amazes me that people get so bothered about being sworn at when grown adults. Admittedly it's slightly more tolerated in my workplace (prison) for obvious reasons, but in other jobs if I've been sworn at I either give as good as I get or I calmly walk away and tell them when they're ready to have a grown up conversation, I'm happy to continue. Being shouted at/talked down to is far worse than a bit of bad language to me.
If it was a two-way heated argument, then that's even more pathetic really. If I was person A, I wouldn't refuse to work alone with person B, but I'd certainly raise a grievance saying that due to the on-going investigation over bullying then does the company think it's a good idea? More as a CYA exercise than anything.
It wouldn't bother me, however it amazes me people think being sworn at, is acceptable in the slightest. If it was a two-way heated argument, then that's even more pathetic really. If I was person A, I wouldn't refuse to work alone with person B, but I'd certainly raise a grievance saying that due to the on-going investigation over bullying then does the company think it's a good idea? More as a CYA exercise than anything.
If anyone swore at me professionally, I'd immediately end the conversation just to be annoying!
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