Its that time again Ev shortlist help me choose
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Hello there current salary sacrifice lease car will be returning at Christmas and I'm considering renewing and leasing for a further 3 years.
I'm sold on EV's (last 6 years I've had an EV and they work for me). Started with a BMW I3s, car being returned is a Genesis Gv60 and my wife runs a Hyundai Kona EV(also about to be changed).
Shortlist:
Polestar 3
Polestar 4
Genesis Gv70
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
BYD Sealion 7
BMW I5 estate
I've looked through the PH threads and I'm now wondering if I've missed any other cars (Not keen on Tesla, unsure about Audi/Mercedes Ev's).
Can you help me choose?
Needs to be a hatchback, Ev, on the company Arval scheme and a little bit premium please?
Thank you muchly.
I'm sold on EV's (last 6 years I've had an EV and they work for me). Started with a BMW I3s, car being returned is a Genesis Gv60 and my wife runs a Hyundai Kona EV(also about to be changed).
Shortlist:
Polestar 3
Polestar 4
Genesis Gv70
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
BYD Sealion 7
BMW I5 estate
I've looked through the PH threads and I'm now wondering if I've missed any other cars (Not keen on Tesla, unsure about Audi/Mercedes Ev's).
Can you help me choose?
Needs to be a hatchback, Ev, on the company Arval scheme and a little bit premium please?
Thank you muchly.
I’m looking at a similar shortlist.
I test drove a Polestar 3 a few weeks ago and it’s a very impressive car. Silky smooth, refined drive, looks great inside and out, loads of room in the back, effortless performance with the dual motors. But the software reliability appears very suspect at the moment. Even accounting for the usual online negative bias, the issues look to be real and widespread. Polestar service support also seems to be lacking. Loads of stories of cars sitting at Volvo dealerships waiting for repair parts.
The Polestar 4 also looks great, but I haven’t driven one. I was put off by the width of it on our narrow local roads. It’s wider than anything comparable. It may or may not be a problem for you, but I would take note and check it out. The chassis is a bit less sophisticated than the PS3 too. No air springs or torque vectoring here. Again, just something to note when comparing them. Also appears to be software buggy, but perhaps less so than the PS3.
I currently drive a 2022 Tesla Model Y and I know you said that you are not keen. But I test drove the refreshed Model Y dual motor and was surprised how much they have improved it, especially ride quality and cabin noise. I would try one even just to use as a benchmark against the others. It’s a pretty impressive, well sorted car now.
Others on my shortlist yet to drive are the Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 when available. The latter looks particularly interesting with tri-motors for active torque vectoring. The Macan is very expensive once you start adding a few essential options to match the others.
Anyway, that’s where I am at the moment. I think the Polestar 3 AWD would probably be my top pick at the moment if it wasn’t for the software gremlins.
I test drove a Polestar 3 a few weeks ago and it’s a very impressive car. Silky smooth, refined drive, looks great inside and out, loads of room in the back, effortless performance with the dual motors. But the software reliability appears very suspect at the moment. Even accounting for the usual online negative bias, the issues look to be real and widespread. Polestar service support also seems to be lacking. Loads of stories of cars sitting at Volvo dealerships waiting for repair parts.
The Polestar 4 also looks great, but I haven’t driven one. I was put off by the width of it on our narrow local roads. It’s wider than anything comparable. It may or may not be a problem for you, but I would take note and check it out. The chassis is a bit less sophisticated than the PS3 too. No air springs or torque vectoring here. Again, just something to note when comparing them. Also appears to be software buggy, but perhaps less so than the PS3.
I currently drive a 2022 Tesla Model Y and I know you said that you are not keen. But I test drove the refreshed Model Y dual motor and was surprised how much they have improved it, especially ride quality and cabin noise. I would try one even just to use as a benchmark against the others. It’s a pretty impressive, well sorted car now.
Others on my shortlist yet to drive are the Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 when available. The latter looks particularly interesting with tri-motors for active torque vectoring. The Macan is very expensive once you start adding a few essential options to match the others.
Anyway, that’s where I am at the moment. I think the Polestar 3 AWD would probably be my top pick at the moment if it wasn’t for the software gremlins.
uktrailmonster said:
I m looking at a similar shortlist.
I test drove a Polestar 3 a few weeks ago and it s a very impressive car. Silky smooth, refined drive, looks great inside and out, loads of room in the back, effortless performance with the dual motors. But the software reliability appears very suspect at the moment. Even accounting for the usual online negative bias, the issues look to be real and widespread. Polestar service support also seems to be lacking. Loads of stories of cars sitting at Volvo dealerships waiting for repair parts.
The Polestar 4 also looks great, but I haven t driven one. I was put off by the width of it on our narrow local roads. It s wider than anything comparable. It may or may not be a problem for you, but I would take note and check it out. The chassis is a bit less sophisticated than the PS3 too. No air springs or torque vectoring here. Again, just something to note when comparing them. Also appears to be software buggy, but perhaps less so than the PS3.
I currently drive a 2022 Tesla Model Y and I know you said that you are not keen. But I test drove the refreshed Model Y dual motor and was surprised how much they have improved it, especially ride quality and cabin noise. I would try one even just to use as a benchmark against the others. It s a pretty impressive, well sorted car now.
Others on my shortlist yet to drive are the Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 when available. The latter looks particularly interesting with tri-motors for active torque vectoring. The Macan is very expensive once you start adding a few essential options to match the others.
Anyway, that s where I am at the moment. I think the Polestar 3 AWD would probably be my top pick at the moment if it wasn t for the software gremlins.
Really appreciate your reply and also the reply about the Ioniq5N.......I test drove a Polestar 3 a few weeks ago and it s a very impressive car. Silky smooth, refined drive, looks great inside and out, loads of room in the back, effortless performance with the dual motors. But the software reliability appears very suspect at the moment. Even accounting for the usual online negative bias, the issues look to be real and widespread. Polestar service support also seems to be lacking. Loads of stories of cars sitting at Volvo dealerships waiting for repair parts.
The Polestar 4 also looks great, but I haven t driven one. I was put off by the width of it on our narrow local roads. It s wider than anything comparable. It may or may not be a problem for you, but I would take note and check it out. The chassis is a bit less sophisticated than the PS3 too. No air springs or torque vectoring here. Again, just something to note when comparing them. Also appears to be software buggy, but perhaps less so than the PS3.
I currently drive a 2022 Tesla Model Y and I know you said that you are not keen. But I test drove the refreshed Model Y dual motor and was surprised how much they have improved it, especially ride quality and cabin noise. I would try one even just to use as a benchmark against the others. It s a pretty impressive, well sorted car now.
Others on my shortlist yet to drive are the Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 when available. The latter looks particularly interesting with tri-motors for active torque vectoring. The Macan is very expensive once you start adding a few essential options to match the others.
Anyway, that s where I am at the moment. I think the Polestar 3 AWD would probably be my top pick at the moment if it wasn t for the software gremlins.
Interesting you are looking at similar, take the point about Model Y I think I have unconscious bias kicking in against Tesla......
Our scheme seems to price Polestars very competitively i.e. an 88k Polestar 3 is cheaper monthlies than a 65k VW Buzz. No idea I thought salary sacrifice schemes was just P111D divided by monthly payments.
Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 Not on our list yet but good options.
rugbyleague said:
No idea I thought salary sacrifice schemes was just P111D divided by monthly payments.
I ve noticed the deals depend on what they can get, so no different to normal lease providers. I haven t seen a deal for ages in my companies scheme, its always more expensive than leasing privately and I guess only suitable for those trying to avoid high marginal taxes, like the £100k cliff.Xpeng G6 is good if you want a comfort orientated tech forward D segment SUV. It’s basically a Tesla Model Y knockoff without the Elon Musk associations.
Edited by wyson on Friday 27th June 06:33
Yep, the pricing dependent on what deal the lease company can get and projected depreciation over the term. The P11d used purely for BIK calculation.
If it was me picking from that list it would be between the 5N and i5. The BMW being the most practical and premium, the Hyundai the most fun.
Chinese knock offs don't appeal and the Polestars seem to have a lot of software issues based on what I've read on these forums. Genesis doesn't appeal to me, and you've already had one so assume your like a change.
If it was me picking from that list it would be between the 5N and i5. The BMW being the most practical and premium, the Hyundai the most fun.
Chinese knock offs don't appeal and the Polestars seem to have a lot of software issues based on what I've read on these forums. Genesis doesn't appeal to me, and you've already had one so assume your like a change.
Edited by SWoll on Friday 27th June 07:23
EV8 said:
Ioniq 5N. Does everything in one package. You wont regret it.
This. To be honest I've not driven any of the others but probably don't need to. Docile when you want, bonkers when you don't, seats 5 with lots of boot space. Fully equipped and easy to disengage the bings/bongs. Perfection IMO.I think my only complaints are the turning circle and 225 mile range. But am nit picking really as I'd happily live with both.
rugbyleague said:
Shortlist:
[...]
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
[...]
Speculation based on specs/daydreaming (without test drives): [...]
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
[...]
A bit less leftfield: the new KIA EV6 GT. A less focused alternative to 5N. For me, the main advantage over 5N would be the ability to add a tow hook (for a bike carrier).
I'm not sure if the KIA EV9 (or Ioniq 9) would be considered a hatchback, but seven seats can be useful/fun, and you'd get a bit of extra range compared to Ioniq 5N/EV 6 GT (but will stay longer at the chargers).
If you're used to GV60 charging speed and flexibility, it is probably helpful to check ev-database for the charging speed in miles per hour (for 10-80%). If you're used to being able to do a "spark and dash" at over 200kW with over 40% charge, most of the other options mentioned might be frustrating (at least initially).
(for context: we're approaching 3 years with a 2023 Ioniq 5 AWD. A bit over 40,000 miles, 600+ mile days are pretty common)
[edit: somehow managed to miss the discussion about EV6 GT above - hope the point about the tow hook was a useful addition!]
Edited by PetrolHeadInRecovery on Friday 27th June 08:17
Zero Fuchs said:
EV8 said:
Ioniq 5N. Does everything in one package. You wont regret it.
This. To be honest I've not driven any of the others but probably don't need to. Docile when you want, bonkers when you don't, seats 5 with lots of boot space. Fully equipped and easy to disengage the bings/bongs. Perfection IMO.I think my only complaints are the turning circle and 225 mile range. But am nit picking really as I'd happily live with both.
I've gone form a Tesla M3 to BMW i5.
The i5 is a big car which depending on your use could be a pain. It's also slightly compromised as it's not built on a dedicatred EV chassis, the obvious cost saving is also disspointing.
It's a nice please to be in but I can't help be a bit disspointed with it.
The i5 is a big car which depending on your use could be a pain. It's also slightly compromised as it's not built on a dedicatred EV chassis, the obvious cost saving is also disspointing.
It's a nice please to be in but I can't help be a bit disspointed with it.
It’s tricky. I need to start thinking about a new one and ideally an SUV for ease and comfort.
The VAG products seem a bit “miss” in my option and I’m normally a big fan. The macan seems good but it’s too expensive for what it is imo.
The model y is an option but I don’t like the no parking sensors, and that you have to use the screen to shift between p d r now.
Maybe I’ll try the Q6. But like someone else said it all depends on the deals on the day.
The VAG products seem a bit “miss” in my option and I’m normally a big fan. The macan seems good but it’s too expensive for what it is imo.
The model y is an option but I don’t like the no parking sensors, and that you have to use the screen to shift between p d r now.
Maybe I’ll try the Q6. But like someone else said it all depends on the deals on the day.
SWoll said:
Zero Fuchs said:
EV8 said:
Ioniq 5N. Does everything in one package. You wont regret it.
This. To be honest I've not driven any of the others but probably don't need to. Docile when you want, bonkers when you don't, seats 5 with lots of boot space. Fully equipped and easy to disengage the bings/bongs. Perfection IMO.I think my only complaints are the turning circle and 225 mile range. But am nit picking really as I'd happily live with both.
But is subjective so left that out as he/she had it on the shortlist. I appreciate it's a totally different proposition to an i5 though, which I'm sure is also very good in different ways.
rugbyleague said:
Hello there current salary sacrifice lease car will be returning at Christmas and I'm considering renewing and leasing for a further 3 years.
I'm sold on EV's (last 6 years I've had an EV and they work for me). Started with a BMW I3s, car being returned is a Genesis Gv60 and my wife runs a Hyundai Kona EV(also about to be changed).
Shortlist:
Polestar 3
Polestar 4
Genesis Gv70
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
BYD Sealion 7
BMW I5 estate
I've looked through the PH threads and I'm now wondering if I've missed any other cars (Not keen on Tesla, unsure about Audi/Mercedes Ev's).
Can you help me choose?
Needs to be a hatchback, Ev, on the company Arval scheme and a little bit premium please?
Thank you muchly.
Which gen Kona is your wife s car? I'm sold on EV's (last 6 years I've had an EV and they work for me). Started with a BMW I3s, car being returned is a Genesis Gv60 and my wife runs a Hyundai Kona EV(also about to be changed).
Shortlist:
Polestar 3
Polestar 4
Genesis Gv70
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
BYD Sealion 7
BMW I5 estate
I've looked through the PH threads and I'm now wondering if I've missed any other cars (Not keen on Tesla, unsure about Audi/Mercedes Ev's).
Can you help me choose?
Needs to be a hatchback, Ev, on the company Arval scheme and a little bit premium please?
Thank you muchly.
Does she (& do you) like it?
We had a Gen1for 5 years (50k miles). First EV we owned, liked it a lot.
Upgraded to the latest (ex-demo, private purchase) before Christmas - what a superb car!
Much bigger boot (plus good frunk) on the newer model. If you can get a top of range model, go with the smaller 17 rims for best economy. Feels like a much more grown up Kona, & you can stop the bings by pressing & holding the mute button
On that basis, if you wanted bigger, I wouldn t hesitate to get an Ioniq 5 - the crazy 5N if you can
We tested one a couple of years back, & it was very nice - we just didn t need the bigger size.
Fully understand your unconscious bias against Tesla - I wouldn t touch one with a barge pole because I of the lunatic in charge
Some here remain fanbois though. Even then, I wouldn t want one in case I came out to find Swasticar painted on the side. Life is too short!Polestar 3 is nice - a pal had one for a while. Not sure I d like the 4 with no rear screen, feels like it is fixing a problem that doesn t exist!
The Sealion looks decent inside. We drove a Seal - the correcting steering was a bit over-invasive, & it proved to me I still prefer some buttons/switchgear in a car (another reason to not like Tesla, if I needed one!) .maybe test one see how you like it.
You will know the Genesis better than me - never sat in one. The fact you aren t automatically sticking with them suggests to me there are somethings you aren t keen on, unless you just fancy a change?
Eta - the Renault 5 looks great. May be a bit small (could replace your wife’s Kona if she didn’t want another Kona).
Do you run them both with one home chargepoint? I guess unless the miles are long on the same day, that ought to work well?
rugbyleague said:
Really appreciate your reply and also the reply about the Ioniq5N.......
Interesting you are looking at similar, take the point about Model Y I think I have unconscious bias kicking in against Tesla......
Our scheme seems to price Polestars very competitively i.e. an 88k Polestar 3 is cheaper monthlies than a 65k VW Buzz. No idea I thought salary sacrifice schemes was just P111D divided by monthly payments.
Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 Not on our list yet but good options.
No worries. I can understand the anti-Tesla bias at the moment, but I would at least test drive the new Y. Whatever anyone says, it’s a benchmark car in this segment. Interesting you are looking at similar, take the point about Model Y I think I have unconscious bias kicking in against Tesla......
Our scheme seems to price Polestars very competitively i.e. an 88k Polestar 3 is cheaper monthlies than a 65k VW Buzz. No idea I thought salary sacrifice schemes was just P111D divided by monthly payments.
Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 Not on our list yet but good options.
The Polestar 3 is sublime, but the widely reported software (and some hardware) issues seriously put me off it, at least for now. But the car itself is amazing. Only slight negative for me when I drove it was the sheer weight. At 2,600 kg it is 600 kg heavier than my Model Y and I couldn’t help but notice this on my local B-roads. It carries all that mass surprisingly well because the chassis is very well sorted. But basic laws of physics still apply here. When I got back in my Model Y it felt considerably more nimble. Where the PS3 shines is a superb ride quality and minimal road/wind noise. My old Model Y is nowhere near it in this regard, but the new version gets a lot closer.
I have yet to drive the other options. Another option I thought of is the Ford Mach-e GT if it’s on your company list. I’ve just added it to my own test drive shortlist.
Went through the same over the past few weeks and have ordered an in-stock Polestar 4. It's a single motor long range version, in Electron Blue, with the Plus, Pilot and Nappa packs. The only other car that I fleetingly considered was the i5N, but I really don't need something that is so ballistically fast (particularly given that my wife will drive it 75% of the time), and it was considerably more expensive. I also looked at the Polestar 3, but once you add the packs (Plus is essential IMO), it was over budget, and I personally prefer the looks of the 4.
The lack of rear window is of no concern, and I actually think it's a really clever piece of design that maximises interior space and aerodynamic efficiency. Saying that, I use the digital mirror in our Honda e, so I have had time to get used to relying on cameras.
Being a current Polestar 2 owner, I frequent the owners forums and the 4 seems to be fairing better than the 3 in terms of glitches. There is a thread running at the moment that discusses owners experiences thus far and it certainly feels like the initial problems are being ironed out.
The lack of rear window is of no concern, and I actually think it's a really clever piece of design that maximises interior space and aerodynamic efficiency. Saying that, I use the digital mirror in our Honda e, so I have had time to get used to relying on cameras.
Being a current Polestar 2 owner, I frequent the owners forums and the 4 seems to be fairing better than the 3 in terms of glitches. There is a thread running at the moment that discusses owners experiences thus far and it certainly feels like the initial problems are being ironed out.
mikeiow said:
Polestar 3 is nice - a pal had one for a while. Not sure I d like the 4 with no rear screen, feels like it is fixing a problem that doesn t exist!
I guess the problem was achieving an aerodynamic coupe-like shape that maximises efficiency, whilst also having a capacious interior with lots of head room. If the car had a rear window the bulkhead would have to be moved much further forward, above the rear occupants head space, which would ultimately lead to a much higher roof line if head space was not to be compromised. Even then, you'd have likely ended up with poor rear vision, much like the 2. Thanks everyone for your replies, they are very much helping.
Love my current Genesis, it looks good, is rare and nicely equipped. That said I'm keen to make sure I take time to see what's out there because when I got the Genesis there was not many cars available with a reasonable lead time (I originally ordered an Ev6 GT but Arval couldn't source one).
I'm looking at the high end specs of each of the cars above.
Wife's car is previous Kona model on the ultimate spec, its nice but noisy on the motorway so we are going to change it for a similar sized quieter Mororway EV. Thoughts on this as well without corrupting the thread.
I'm in London tomorrow (I live in the Lake District) so I'm going to take he opportunity to look at the new Gv60 and the Gv70 and maybe Polestar if I have time.
The Arval scheme my company has is ok there are 124 models on it, fairly mainstream offerings though.
Thanks for clearing up the P111D price for me, I now understand how that works in terms of pricing.
The I5N gets lots of thumbs up on here so will definitely check that out. That said I will check all my short list out and some of the others that have been suggested so long as they are on my scheme.
Is there anything new inbound from any manufacturers or major face-lift?
I definitely don't need more seats than 5.
Good performance, great audio system and a car that turns heads are important to me!
Rarely charge away from home and I will be using the car to reduce my tax burden.
Please can you keep this thread going as its really useful to me. In return I will contribute and report in when I try cars.
Love my current Genesis, it looks good, is rare and nicely equipped. That said I'm keen to make sure I take time to see what's out there because when I got the Genesis there was not many cars available with a reasonable lead time (I originally ordered an Ev6 GT but Arval couldn't source one).
I'm looking at the high end specs of each of the cars above.
Wife's car is previous Kona model on the ultimate spec, its nice but noisy on the motorway so we are going to change it for a similar sized quieter Mororway EV. Thoughts on this as well without corrupting the thread.
I'm in London tomorrow (I live in the Lake District) so I'm going to take he opportunity to look at the new Gv60 and the Gv70 and maybe Polestar if I have time.
The Arval scheme my company has is ok there are 124 models on it, fairly mainstream offerings though.
Thanks for clearing up the P111D price for me, I now understand how that works in terms of pricing.
The I5N gets lots of thumbs up on here so will definitely check that out. That said I will check all my short list out and some of the others that have been suggested so long as they are on my scheme.
Is there anything new inbound from any manufacturers or major face-lift?
I definitely don't need more seats than 5.
Good performance, great audio system and a car that turns heads are important to me!
Rarely charge away from home and I will be using the car to reduce my tax burden.
Please can you keep this thread going as its really useful to me. In return I will contribute and report in when I try cars.
Edited by rugbyleague on Saturday 28th June 05:44
I was really impressed with the mercedes EQE suv. Found it very comfy and had great tech and range.
Mercedes also have this coming out which is supposed to be very next gen with nearly 500 mile range and great efficiency.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/welcom...
Mercedes also have this coming out which is supposed to be very next gen with nearly 500 mile range and great efficiency.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/welcom...
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