No Red Arrows Display at British GP This Year

[48k]

I notice from the Red Arrows display schedule that they are not doing a display at the British GP this year just a fly past.
Anyone know why the change to just a fly past this year ? They're displaying at the Wales Air Show the same day but doing 2 displays in the same day is possible.

Edited by 48k on Monday 30th June 13:28

[Eric Mc]

They don't like doing displays these days that take them directly over the crowd.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Eric Mc said:

They don't like doing displays these days that take them directly over the crowd.

Surely not?!

The relentless risk aversion continues. Even if its boring and crap!

(I am obviously aware of the Hunter crash before someone whinges).

[Eric Mc]

Yep. In fact, most air displays at airfields are designed never to fly over crowds. And it’s been like that for many years. The Red Arrows were exempted for a long time but now they have to follow the same rules as everyone else

[Jimbo.]

GiantEnemyCrab said:

Eric Mc said:

They don't like doing displays these days that take them directly over the crowd.

Surely not?!

The relentless risk aversion continues. Even if its boring and crap!

(I am obviously aware of the Hunter crash before someone whinges).

The Rammstein and Sknyliv incidents were much more significant re. airshow safety.

[Geneve]

Search for footage of air displays, aerobatics and air racing in the 1950s and 60s, to see just how close jet aircraft of the time performed over the spectating crowds.

[aeropilot]

Eric Mc said:

Yep. In fact, most air displays at airfields are designed never to fly over crowds. And it s been like that for many years. The Red Arrows were exempted for a long time but now they have to follow the same rules as everyone else

Yep.

Its why there's been no lunchtime air display's at Goodwood Revival since 2016.
Frankly, I'm surprised the Reds got the exemption for as long as they did really, they should have been forced to comply like every one else at the time.

[Simes205]

aeropilot said:

Eric Mc said:

Yep. In fact, most air displays at airfields are designed never to fly over crowds. And it s been like that for many years. The Red Arrows were exempted for a long time but now they have to follow the same rules as everyone else

Yep.

Its why there's been no lunchtime air display's at Goodwood Revival since 2016.
Frankly, I'm surprised the Reds got the exemption for as long as they did really, they should have been forced to comply like every one else at the time.

Surprised this one never stopped displays.
Good though!

https://youtu.be/rnc78LW7V1U?si=3GjemubKITPtRr6PI&...

[Geneve]

This raises similar questions.

The manoeuvres are routine for a helicopter, but the location, in a stadium, doesn’t leave any margin for the, albeit tiny, risk of error or failure that dictates safety these days.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s0SN3tG4Atk

[5150]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBDhOxqJdk

People operating like this doesn't help any cause, either. . . . landing over the crowd line, then taking off over the crowd line with known damage . . . criminal!

[48k]

Eric Mc said:

Yep. In fact, most air displays at airfields are designed never to fly over crowds. And it s been like that for many years. The Red Arrows were exempted for a long time but now they have to follow the same rules as everyone else

Thanks have you got a source / citation for this crowd exemption coming to an end ? I know they have an exemption from Formula One's rule about no military aircraft displays.

Edited by 48k on Tuesday 1st July 22:05

[48k]

aeropilot said:

Yep.

Its why there's been no lunchtime air display's at Goodwood Revival since 2016.
Frankly, I'm surprised the Reds got the exemption for as long as they did really, they should have been forced to comply like every one else at the time.

How come they are still allowed to display at the Frstival of Speed if the Revival is verboten?
Got a source/link about this exemption?

[nordboy]

48k said:

aeropilot said:

Yep.

Its why there's been no lunchtime air display's at Goodwood Revival since 2016.
Frankly, I'm surprised the Reds got the exemption for as long as they did really, they should have been forced to comply like every one else at the time.

How come they are still allowed to display at the Frstival of Speed if the Revival is verboten?
Got a source/link about this exemption?

Isn't it more about location? The FOS occupies a far bigger area so the display can be further away while spectators have a visual, whereas the display for the revival, for visual, has to take place over the circuit, and therefore crowds? I'm very much guessing though.

[bergclimber34]

This is so sad, I think planes go over crowds fine elsewhere maybe higher attitude, but another example of insurance being the reason fun is being deleted from this stty country

[aeropilot]

nordboy said:

48k said:

aeropilot said:

Yep.

Its why there's been no lunchtime air display's at Goodwood Revival since 2016.
Frankly, I'm surprised the Reds got the exemption for as long as they did really, they should have been forced to comply like every one else at the time.

How come they are still allowed to display at the Frstival of Speed if the Revival is verboten?
Got a source/link about this exemption?

Isn't it more about location? The FOS occupies a far bigger area so the display can be further away while spectators have a visual, whereas the display for the revival, for visual, has to take place over the circuit, and therefore crowds? I'm very much guessing though.

Correct.

[Eric Mc]

Air displays at race circuits are problematic because there can be no "display line" which avoids over flying the crowd because by its very nature, a race track will have spectators all around the circumference.

Air displays at airfields are easier to organise as the display line will be established on the airfield to ensure that the spectator/crowd area is not flown over. Don't forget that the Shoreham accident did not involve a crash on the airfield and the display line rules were not infringed.

[gt40steve]

For a couple (?) of years at the Revival they used to rope off & evacuate two parts of the circuit on opposite sides for aircraft display flying.

Probably a pain getting people to move for half an hour, I think this has ended now. Just the dawn patrol flight left now as far as I remember.

At Duxford I recall the Reds & The Blades were permitted to over fly the crowd from behind on arrival, but the display flying was obviously confined to the airfield display line.

[aeropilot]

gt40steve said:

Just the dawn patrol flight left now as far as I remember.

Yep, the dawn patrol flight is all that's allowed now, been that way since 2017 or 18.

[paulguitar]

bergclimber34 said:

This is so sad, I think planes go over crowds fine elsewhere maybe higher attitude, but another example of insurance being the reason fun is being deleted from this stty country

I don't think the UK is a 'stty country'.


I spend a lot of my time in the USA. That puts things into perspective.

[bergclimber34]

Hardly a direct or fair comparison, the scariest country and in areas people on earth. But I get the gist of your point!!