Registering and MOT a brand new 2014 Motorbike
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Hi, as I can’t find online queries for this at the DVLA I’m hoping someone on here can help. I’ve a brand new, unused, unregistered 2014 Norton 961 motorbike with a Certificate of Conformity, invoice from when it was new etc. Do I use form V55/4 and does it need to have proof of an MOT? Not sure if you can even get an MOT without a reg number? Also the DVLA website says MOT’s are required 3 years after first registration so would my bike need an MOT just as it’s over 3 years from manufacture? If I manage to get it registered will it be on a 14 or 25 plate? Many thanks for any advice.
205Rallee said:
Hi, as I can t find online queries for this at the DVLA I m hoping someone on here can help. I ve a brand new, unused, unregistered 2014 Norton 961 motorbike with a Certificate of Conformity, invoice from when it was new etc. Do I use form V55/4 and does it need to have proof of an MOT? Not sure if you can even get an MOT without a reg number? Also the DVLA website says MOT s are required 3 years after first registration so would my bike need an MOT just as it s over 3 years from manufacture? If I manage to get it registered will it be on a 14 or 25 plate? Many thanks for any advice.
My thoughts would be as follows.It has neither v5 nor reg number and hasn't been registered for the road.
It is therefore (as far as DVLA) are concerned a motorbike shaped piece of machinery.
You can't get an MOT on an unregistered vehicle, you can (of course) trailer it to an MOT test station and ask them to subject it to something similar to an MOT test.
Why are you considering registering it after all this time, might I ask?
ChatGPT suggests (may or may not be right but the logic seems reasonable)
• Use V55/4 — for new or never-registered vehicles.
Required Documents:
• Certificate of Conformity (CoC)
• Proof of ID and address
• Original purchase invoice
• Completed V55/4 form
• Vehicle tax payment
• £55 registration fee
• MOT certificate (if DVLA requests it — see below)
MOT Requirement:
• MOT is normally due 3 years after registration, not manufacture.
• Since your Norton has never been registered, no MOT is needed before registration.
• However, DVLA may still request an MOT due to its age (over 3 years old).
• You may need to arrange an MOT after you receive the registration plate/V5C.
Registration Plate:
• DVLA will issue a “25” plate (for 2025) — not a “14” plate, as it was never registered.
Suggested Steps:
1. Complete V55/4 (leave reg number blank)
2. Prepare documents and payment
3. Send to DVLA
4. Receive V5C and fit plates
5. Arrange MOT if requested
6. Tax and legally ride the bike
• Use V55/4 — for new or never-registered vehicles.
Required Documents:
• Certificate of Conformity (CoC)
• Proof of ID and address
• Original purchase invoice
• Completed V55/4 form
• Vehicle tax payment
• £55 registration fee
• MOT certificate (if DVLA requests it — see below)
MOT Requirement:
• MOT is normally due 3 years after registration, not manufacture.
• Since your Norton has never been registered, no MOT is needed before registration.
• However, DVLA may still request an MOT due to its age (over 3 years old).
• You may need to arrange an MOT after you receive the registration plate/V5C.
Registration Plate:
• DVLA will issue a “25” plate (for 2025) — not a “14” plate, as it was never registered.
Suggested Steps:
1. Complete V55/4 (leave reg number blank)
2. Prepare documents and payment
3. Send to DVLA
4. Receive V5C and fit plates
5. Arrange MOT if requested
6. Tax and legally ride the bike
It’s just a straightforward new registration, surely?
When I worked at part of BAe, we were able to get employee discounts on BL cars, some of which were offered at -78% because they had been sitting in a field for 5 years. They would still have been registered on a current plate with MOT not needed until 3 years later.
When I worked at part of BAe, we were able to get employee discounts on BL cars, some of which were offered at -78% because they had been sitting in a field for 5 years. They would still have been registered on a current plate with MOT not needed until 3 years later.
You can get an MOT on an unregistered car no problem although I don't see why you would need to if it's never been previously registered. I'd expect it to get a 2025 plate.
Essentially to register you need the CoC and your personal ID along with the reg fee and road tax. There's no additional tests required as the CoC covers everything and it's new.
Essentially to register you need the CoC and your personal ID along with the reg fee and road tax. There's no additional tests required as the CoC covers everything and it's new.
Many thanks for the swift responses. I’ve just bought the bike at a very good price and have the Certificate of Conformity, a v55/1 partly completed by Norton at the factory ( the Donington one that went bust….) and the original invoice from them as well. It’s been sitting in an air conditioned office unused since delivery and I’m going to start using it, once it’s all been checked, rubber items replaced and bolts all torqued, fluids changed etc.
Will fill in the V55/4 and send it off with the identity info and a cheque for the £55 reg fee plus the tax and then just wait and see😀
Will fill in the V55/4 and send it off with the identity info and a cheque for the £55 reg fee plus the tax and then just wait and see😀
Might be worth read through this thread as there have been various recalls.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Fortunately it was incredibly cheap, the original “owner” is a very close relative and I went into this with my eyes open and will be doing as much preventative work as possible before using it at all. I’ve got an Alpine A110 as my daily car and for a while on the forums it was really depressing but touch wood no significant issues after 4 years. If it breaks down I’ve got recovery and I’ll fix it, if it had cost me the invoice price I might be a bit more stressed!
I am not a lawyer, however, I think that Vaud has it right (amazing, Chat GPT coming up with the likely correct answer!).
The RTA 1988 is silent on testing requirements for vehicles manufactured more than 3 years prior to first registration, therefore it is unlikely to need an MOT until the 3 year point, unless DVLA specifically asks for one on first registration. I cannot see any legal grounds in the RTA 1988 for this request though.
The RTA 1988 is silent on testing requirements for vehicles manufactured more than 3 years prior to first registration, therefore it is unlikely to need an MOT until the 3 year point, unless DVLA specifically asks for one on first registration. I cannot see any legal grounds in the RTA 1988 for this request though.
MustangGT said:
I am not a lawyer, however, I think that Vaud has it right (amazing, Chat GPT coming up with the likely correct answer!).
It's got a lot better in the last 15 months (it is part of my job to test use cases). If you use the reasoning models you can also see what it is doing and how it approaches a challenge. If it stalls it will try a different method.CoPilot/ChatGPT were mis sold to the general users at launch - it should have been flagged as "early alpha" - the product today is a world apart. It's not perfect but is extremely powerful if you get the right prompt.
205Rallee said:
Hi, as I can t find online queries for this at the DVLA I m hoping someone on here can help. I ve a brand new, unused, unregistered 2014 Norton 961 motorbike with a Certificate of Conformity, invoice from when it was new etc. Do I use form V55/4 and does it need to have proof of an MOT? Not sure if you can even get an MOT without a reg number? Also the DVLA website says MOT s are required 3 years after first registration so would my bike need an MOT just as it s over 3 years from manufacture? If I manage to get it registered will it be on a 14 or 25 plate? Many thanks for any advice.
If you want to register it as 'new', will you have problems with it not meeting the latest euro-5 or whatever it is for bikes?Would you have to go through IVA or SVA?
If you can't get to the bottom of exactly what's needed, you could try getting in touch with someone like Padgett's of Batley.
As well as being dealers for many brands (and their top level racing history!) they regularly sell 'new old stock' bikes which are unregistered until sold.
Here's a 2017 example:
https://www.padgettsmotorcycles.com/used-bikes/ass...
I would have thought they'd be happy enough to give you a couple of pointers.
Just be careful not to have your credit card close by if you call them, though. I've never made it out of one of their shops without buying something or other - it's like going into Aunty Wainwright's shop on Last Of The Summer Wine, where no one ever made it out without buying something they didn't need.
As well as being dealers for many brands (and their top level racing history!) they regularly sell 'new old stock' bikes which are unregistered until sold.
Here's a 2017 example:
https://www.padgettsmotorcycles.com/used-bikes/ass...
I would have thought they'd be happy enough to give you a couple of pointers.
Just be careful not to have your credit card close by if you call them, though. I've never made it out of one of their shops without buying something or other - it's like going into Aunty Wainwright's shop on Last Of The Summer Wine, where no one ever made it out without buying something they didn't need.
WPA said:
Happy to be corrected but would it not be assigned an age related plate based on its year of manufacture.
It is not a new bike at the end of the day plus would not meet current rules so I am sure it would be registered based on 2014 build date
Generally only if it has been registered previously, e.g. a used car imported from the USAIt is not a new bike at the end of the day plus would not meet current rules so I am sure it would be registered based on 2014 build date
PorkInsider said:
If you can't get to the bottom of exactly what's needed, you could try getting in touch with someone like Padgett's of Batley.
As well as being dealers for many brands (and their top level racing history!) they regularly sell 'new old stock' bikes which are unregistered until sold.
Here's a 2017 example:
https://www.padgettsmotorcycles.com/used-bikes/ass...
I would have thought they'd be happy enough to give you a couple of pointers.
Just be careful not to have your credit card close by if you call them, though. I've never made it out of one of their shops without buying something or other - it's like going into Aunty Wainwright's shop on Last Of The Summer Wine, where no one ever made it out without buying something they didn't need.
😂As well as being dealers for many brands (and their top level racing history!) they regularly sell 'new old stock' bikes which are unregistered until sold.
Here's a 2017 example:
https://www.padgettsmotorcycles.com/used-bikes/ass...
I would have thought they'd be happy enough to give you a couple of pointers.
Just be careful not to have your credit card close by if you call them, though. I've never made it out of one of their shops without buying something or other - it's like going into Aunty Wainwright's shop on Last Of The Summer Wine, where no one ever made it out without buying something they didn't need.
PorkInsider said:
If you can't get to the bottom of exactly what's needed, you could try getting in touch with someone like Padgett's of Batley.
As well as being dealers for many brands (and their top level racing history!) they regularly sell 'new old stock' bikes which are unregistered until sold.
Here's a 2017 example:
https://www.padgettsmotorcycles.com/used-bikes/ass...
I would have thought they'd be happy enough to give you a couple of pointers.
Just be careful not to have your credit card close by if you call them, though. I've never made it out of one of their shops without buying something or other - it's like going into Aunty Wainwright's shop on Last Of The Summer Wine, where no one ever made it out without buying something they didn't need.
Fortunately my credit card limit is low enough to keep me out of trouble... As well as being dealers for many brands (and their top level racing history!) they regularly sell 'new old stock' bikes which are unregistered until sold.
Here's a 2017 example:
https://www.padgettsmotorcycles.com/used-bikes/ass...
I would have thought they'd be happy enough to give you a couple of pointers.
Just be careful not to have your credit card close by if you call them, though. I've never made it out of one of their shops without buying something or other - it's like going into Aunty Wainwright's shop on Last Of The Summer Wine, where no one ever made it out without buying something they didn't need.
https://www.padgettsmotorcycles.com/used-bikes/ass...
Whilst I appreciate the circumstances are far different, a colleague of mine has just road registered for the first time a 1950's tractor that has come off a private estate after spending all of these years since new off the radar.
The DVLA have given it an age related plate which is obviously a sensible decision, but I'm not sure where these lines blur when comparing this to the 'new' Norton that this thread started with?
The DVLA have given it an age related plate which is obviously a sensible decision, but I'm not sure where these lines blur when comparing this to the 'new' Norton that this thread started with?
Matt_E_Mulsion said:
Whilst I appreciate the circumstances are far different, a colleague of mine has just road registered for the first time a 1950's tractor that has come off a private estate after spending all of these years since new off the radar.
The DVLA have given it an age related plate which is obviously a sensible decision, but I'm not sure where these lines blur when comparing this to the 'new' Norton that this thread started with?
DVLA can issue an age-related plate if it is an "old" (pre 1983) vehicle, and a V765 form is used, which includes archive/documentary evidence that its old. It might have been previously registered (ie before 1983, and not taxed since then) and there exists photos of it with its old number plate, for example. The DVLA have given it an age related plate which is obviously a sensible decision, but I'm not sure where these lines blur when comparing this to the 'new' Norton that this thread started with?
One thing which might catch you out - if the vehicle doesn't have a Certificate of Conformity meeting the current requirements, for example on emissions standards, it might be a hurdle. Often there is a grace period for vehicles manufactured eg 3 years ago, to previous standards, when a standard is initially brought in, but this time period is finite.
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