Pride Police

[Tom8]

Finally;

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/north-yorksh...

No coverage of this case at all but glad it has happened, long overdue.

[lancslad58]

I don't see the issue, does it really matter that much to you ?

[greygoose]

lancslad58 said:

I don't see the issue, does it really matter that much to you ?

I don’t get it either, it isn’t like the police are saying they won’t prosecute homosexual criminals, just the usual divide and hate from some on here.

[chrispmartha]

Tom8 said:

Finally;

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/north-yorksh...

No coverage of this case at all but glad it has happened, long overdue.

Do off duty police officers wear their uniform when off duty?

What is it about Pride that triggers people so much?.

[8.4L 154]

I assume the op will also support a ban on police participation in rememberance parades and wearing a poppy?

No? Just being homophobic then.

[Tom8]

lancslad58 said:

I don't see the issue, does it really matter that much to you ?

If you read the article it explains why the legal judgement was made. In addition there are associated costs as well.

[i4got]

8.4L 154 said:

I assume the op will also support a ban on police participation in rememberance parades and wearing a poppy?

No? Just being homophobic then.

The op is commenting on a high court decision that the force were acting unlawfully. F all to do with remembrance day and poppies.

[119]

chrispmartha said:

Tom8 said:

Finally;

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/north-yorksh...

No coverage of this case at all but glad it has happened, long overdue.

Do off duty police officers wear their uniform when off duty?

What is it about Pride that triggers people so much?.

"The Chief Constable at North Yorkshire Police has banned off-duty officers from wearing their uniforms when participating in Pride parades, in order for the force to "act impartially at all times"."

[chrispmartha]

119 said:

chrispmartha said:

Tom8 said:

Finally;

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/north-yorksh...

No coverage of this case at all but glad it has happened, long overdue.

Do off duty police officers wear their uniform when off duty?

What is it about Pride that triggers people so much?.

"The Chief Constable at North Yorkshire Police has banned off-duty officers from wearing their uniforms when participating in Pride parades, in order for the force to "act impartially at all times"."

Well done.

Now read what I wrote.

[Mastodon2]

It's quite right that the police shouldn't show affiliation or support for any movement, religion, creed or cause, they are supposed to be impartial and apolitical.

Many of those who think the police should be allowed to affiliate and show support for a cause such as Pride, would be foaming at the mouth if Jewish police started wearing patches with the Magen David on their uniforms.

You can't pick and choose, you either let the police support and affiliate with any cause, or none. It's high time the police focused simply on policing. Homophobia has nothing to do with it. Unless of course, people are suggesting that the judge who recently ruled Northumbria Police's support for Pride to be unlawful is a homophobe?

[XCP]

chrispmartha said:

Do off duty police officers wear their uniform when off duty?

What is it about Pride that triggers people so much?.

Aside from a couple of funerals I never did.
Mind you I have known people get married in theirs!
It takes all sorts...

[BOR]

Gay Pride isn't really a "cause" is it?

Can you be for or against Gay Pride now?

Isn't it just a thing that just "is" ?

[Condi]

i4got said:

8.4L 154 said:

I assume the op will also support a ban on police participation in rememberance parades and wearing a poppy?

No? Just being homophobic then.

The op is commenting on a high court decision that the force were acting unlawfully. F all to do with remembrance day and poppies.

No, but if police officers are banned from wearing any forms of association, which was what the court ruling said (rather than being about Pride specifically) then that ruling likely/should also cover poppies.

The high count ruling is F all to do with Pride, or poppies, but is a general ruling on what they can and can't wear or be associated with. And if the answer is nothing, then it's nothing.

[ED209]

BOR said:

Gay Pride isn't really a "cause" is it?

Can you be for or against Gay Pride now?

Isn't it just a thing that just "is" ?

It’s a political movement and the judgement is around police associating themselves with that political movement when they are meant to be impartial.

Police wearing uniform when policing the parade then no problem, police officers taking part when off duty no problem, police officers taking part and wearing uniform when off duty then there’s a problem.

[Frimley111R]

There's a cost to the uniforms and they are produced for Police work, not socialising.

[chrispmartha]

ED209 said:

police officers taking part and wearing uniform when off duty then there s a problem.

As I asked above, is this a thing?

[Countdown]

BOR said:

Gay Pride isn't really a "cause" is it?

Can you be for or against Gay Pride now?

Isn't it just a thing that just "is" ?

This is what I'm trying to get my head around.....who cares if the Police show signs of "support" to the LGBTQ community? That doesn't mean they "oppose" any other community. I'd also argue that it was a social issue rather than a political issue.

[mac96]

Countdown said:

BOR said:

Gay Pride isn't really a "cause" is it?

Can you be for or against Gay Pride now?

Isn't it just a thing that just "is" ?

This is what I'm trying to get my head around.....who cares if the Police show signs of "support" to the LGBTQ community? That doesn't mean they "oppose" any other community. I'd also argue that it was a social issue rather than a political issue.

I suppose you could argue that 'Gay Pride' is a cause, and is different to being gay, which just 'is'.

Seems easily solved though- coppers shouldn't be wearing uniform in their spare time, as any observer will assume that they are on duty and representing their force in whatever they happen to be doing at the time? I know, they have to travel to work, but surely common sense should apply here?

[The Gauge]

Why any cop would want to wear their uniform for any event off duty is beyond me, whether that be gay pride or Poppy Day. It screams of ‘look at me doing the right thing’. You can do the right thing by attending events such as these but without the ‘look at me’ bit, by leaving their uniforms at home.

Basically you are allowed to do good things without telling others you’re doing them.

There’s a taxi driver who posts on SM about never charging customers who are taking their kids to the local childrens hospital. Extremely noble of him and he deserves an OBE etc, but posting the videos of him doing it, whilst maybe heart warming is still a bit ‘look at me doing the right thing’.

[Foss62]

Countdown said:

BOR said:

Gay Pride isn't really a "cause" is it?

Can you be for or against Gay Pride now?

Isn't it just a thing that just "is" ?

This is what I'm trying to get my head around.....who cares if the Police show signs of "support" to the LGBTQ community? That doesn't mean they "oppose" any other community. I'd also argue that it was a social issue rather than a political issue.

There will be some people who (quite legally) disapprove through religious reasons, but I would imagine quite a few more (who may well be LGBTQ themselves) who aren't that comfortable with the idea of a ''community'' based on this categorisation.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that the Police as an organisation should avoid overt displays of 'support'. Individual officers on their own time and out of uniform are at complete liberty to take part of course.