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gtr-gaz

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5,281 posts

275 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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This was taken by Ian Beech yesterday at RAF Marham.

http://www.pistonheads.tv/clip561

I can't believe just how stable these cars feel at speed!
No wobble, no nothing. I would have no hesitation in going a lot faster in one (if only I could)

Time to consider altering the gearing :)

steve_d

13,802 posts

287 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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So how fast was that?

Steve

gtr-gaz

Original Poster:

5,281 posts

275 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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steve_d said:
So how fast was that?

Steve


Speedo (though a bit erratic) said 180mph.

Ted said it should do 175, so not that far out!

steve_d

13,802 posts

287 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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I did like the guy in the brown trousers in the first part of the vid.

Steve

GTRene

22,441 posts

253 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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nice movie with nice music both engine and song, your speedo was at the far right?! but it shaked of speed very well and looked very stable!
I bet you felt like, LORD of the RING
René

craig-ultima

243 posts

262 months

Tuesday 4th October 2005
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That is a fantastic video. Brilliantly done, guys.

Seriously - what do I need to do to learn how to drive my Ultima like this? I noticed in the video that the tach sits perfectly in the power band during shifts, except for one spot where it looks like it dropped maybe just 500 rpm too low. But beautifully done - the driver really has the car under control.

I can't do that - my shifts are slow and the rpms generally drop too much during the shifts, and I am probably slipping the clutch and being too careful on the gas to catch the rpms up. I have sometimes managed a "fast" shift and got the rpms just right (what a lovely feeling that is), but that is still rare for me. Thankfully, I am not grinding the gears at all.

What do you recommend for a novice driver?

steve_d

13,802 posts

287 months

Tuesday 4th October 2005
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craig-ultima said:
......What do you recommend for a novice driver?


More miles.
Lots of twisty back roads and rapid down shifts to scrub off speed.
It will come. Just remember that most of us have been doing this 'stick shift' thing all of our adult lives.

Steve

builder

1,225 posts

271 months

Tuesday 4th October 2005
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gtr-gaz said:
This was taken by Ian Beech yesterday at RAF Marham.
That's excellent! I can't wait until my camera is hooked up and recording track time. Guess I will have to start learning to edit. More please!

Craig...keep driving. If you can manage, get a stick-shift for your daily-driver too. It will become second-nature after a while. I wonder how many owners can say they learned to drive a stick with their supercar?

stig

11,823 posts

313 months

Wednesday 5th October 2005
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Nice vid!

Have you tried a bit of heel and toe though? These big V8s give a hefty bit of engine braking and the rear end can snap round pretty sharpish if you're not careful.

Plenty of room to play round there at least.

WTF was that bloke doing in the GTD40 to end up on the grass though!??!?!

tuxman

9,011 posts

267 months

Wednesday 5th October 2005
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hi Stig ,
have tried to heel and toe ,but can,t seem to get heal to work on excelerator can you explain how you get on in ultima ,perhaps its just me (no talent ) but i struggle a bit .simon

gtr-gaz

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5,281 posts

275 months

Wednesday 5th October 2005
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what's this "toe/heel" Stig?
I thought it was a line dance routine

Seriously though, It was as much as I could do to try and work out when to start braking. No markers to judge by.

If I tried toe/heel, I don't think I would be able to control the brake pedal as much as I would like!
After all, I am 50. A bit long in the tooth to start learning new tricks

BTW, not sure about the guy in the GT40. Looks to me like his throttle stuck open. That can be the only reason why his rear wheels were kicking up dirt like that (unless he forgot to lift off!!)

One more thing, RAF Marham are going to use that video to put onto their cd of the day. Also FOC (ferrari owners club) want to put it up on their web site!! So one up to Ultima and well done Ian for the great vid

GTRene

22,441 posts

253 months

Wednesday 5th October 2005
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driving by heel and toe can be difficult, and by some cars very difficult, depends on how the pedals are standing...you have to practise a lot, I also tried some times with V8, your heel on the break and your toe on the gas, it works but takes alot practise to get "normal"
In rallycars they do it different with no clutch pedal to handle they brake with the left and give gas with the right, that also needs practise, but its a bit more easy to learn...

stig

11,823 posts

313 months

Wednesday 5th October 2005
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tuxman said:
hi Stig ,
have tried to heel and toe ,but can,t seem to get heal to work on excelerator can you explain how you get on in ultima ,perhaps its just me (no talent ) but i struggle a bit .simon



Well, for starters, heel and toe is a bit of a misnomer (unless you're Peta Solberg), as for most cars it's actually toe and toe!

Basically, you use the left side of the foot to brake whilst 'blipping' the throttle with the right side to best match revs on changedowns. If you sit in the car, rest your right foot on the right side of the brake and if the pedals are positioned correctly, as you depress it, you should be able to 'roll' your foot over onto the throttle pedal. A quick stab will do the trick.

It takes a bit of getting used to I guess, but it's a technique well worth learning.

To coin the old race adage 'smooth is fast'.

>> Edited by stig on Wednesday 5th October 14:03

tuxman

9,011 posts

267 months

Wednesday 5th October 2005
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hi Stig,
That would explain why i can,t get my heel to blip while im braking !!! also is that why you always have your pedals in line ?will have to have a go before i take car of the road for winter projects,.simon

steve_d

13,802 posts

287 months

Wednesday 5th October 2005
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tuxman said:
hi Stig,
That would explain why i can,t get my heel to blip while im braking !!! also is that why you always have your pedals in line ?will have to have a go before i take car of the road for winter projects,.simon


I think it was CJ said earlier with the pedals level when you brake the pedal goes down some leaving the throttle alongside your foot. You simply roll your foot over while still maintaining brake pressure.

Steve

GTRMikie

874 posts

277 months

Thursday 6th October 2005
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Don't forget to double de-clutch while you're heel and toeing!

stig

11,823 posts

313 months

Thursday 6th October 2005
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GTRMikie said:
Don't forget to double de-clutch while you're heel and toeing!


This is the year 2005 you know

The synchro's in the tranny should be able to handle it!

stig

11,823 posts

313 months

Thursday 6th October 2005
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tuxman said:
hi Stig,
That would explain why i can,t get my heel to blip while im braking !!! also is that why you always have your pedals in line ?will have to have a go before i take car of the road for winter projects,.simon


To heel and toe, in the literal sense, would probably require you to break an ankle first

I set my throttle pedal just a little way behind the brake to allow me to exert some braking pressure without adding throttle input (I've got size 10 feet and the pedal box is pretty snug). It's down to personal preference really, but that's the basic principle.

GTRMikie

874 posts

277 months

Thursday 6th October 2005
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stig said:

This is the year 2005 you know

The synchro's in the tranny should be able to handle it!


I know but it's fun doing it and getting it right!

tuxman

9,011 posts

267 months

Thursday 6th October 2005
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ok so let me get this right ...i,ve got to brake with the inside of my right foot whilst blipping with outside while at the same time in-out-in with the clutch and changing gear + stearing .....i,m going to need lots of practice !!!simon