997 GT2 Real world prices
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997GT2 pricing seems a bit like 996s: prices at dealers are very high yet looking at sold prices at CC for example, people are paying less. 140 retail. 110/120 auction.
Not enough examples but I'm thinking given how much I enjoyed my 996GT2 for years, a 997 might be something I should consider.
With a couple at dealers priced at what you could almost claim are speculative prices and waiting for as long as it takes, do people make substantiated market price bids and buy that way?
Not enough examples but I'm thinking given how much I enjoyed my 996GT2 for years, a 997 might be something I should consider.
With a couple at dealers priced at what you could almost claim are speculative prices and waiting for as long as it takes, do people make substantiated market price bids and buy that way?
Edited by supermono on Wednesday 23 July 08:50
Looks like one European LHD sold on CC for 182k Euros in December and one UK RHD in August for 106k GBP. The others were all in the US.
https://www.classic.com/veh/2009-porsche-911-997-g...
https://www.classic.com/veh/2008-porsche-911-997-g...
https://www.classic.com/veh/2009-porsche-911-997-g...
https://www.classic.com/veh/2008-porsche-911-997-g...
This is the type of rare model that is speculated by many. Its a model that could appreciate significantly in the future. I believe it will, but there's no guarantee of course.
That makes it difficult to value accurately and leads to a wide spread of prices. There being so few for sale, just exacerbates the effect.
I would concentrate on finding a good car with good history and a decent spec/colour. It needs to be desirable. And yes, you may pay a little more.
That makes it difficult to value accurately and leads to a wide spread of prices. There being so few for sale, just exacerbates the effect.
I would concentrate on finding a good car with good history and a decent spec/colour. It needs to be desirable. And yes, you may pay a little more.
I think in terms of substantial appreciation, the 997 GT2 has the same problem that my 997.2 RS has - there is the RS respectively the 4.0 sitting above those 2 cars. So the collectors will want one of those and not the "second best" version. My money would be on a 996.2 GT2 being the one to go for (albeit that is probably already a 250-300k Euro car). I struggle with seeing people who buy to drive paying very large amounts of money for these cars. I love them both and dearly miss my GT2 CS (stupid mistake to crash that one...), if I had the money I would love to buy another one and revisit it 10 years after I nearly killed myself in it, they are exhilarating cars imo.
I'd be wary of any "auction" result for a Mezger era GT Porsche, they truly aren't a car you should be buying at auction unless you can get a day at a specialist to look it over.
Consider the previous few 996 GT3s sold (or unsold) on CC, look at the service histories, these cars can absolutely muller your wallet, not to mention hidden accident repairs and shady histories.
Way more than something modern that should hopefully be in good repair, the value in a Mezger for sale is in the work that's been done and if there's anything that's damaged you could be in for a big shock. My gearbox rebuild was circa £10k and that was getting on for fifteen years ago!
Consider the previous few 996 GT3s sold (or unsold) on CC, look at the service histories, these cars can absolutely muller your wallet, not to mention hidden accident repairs and shady histories.
Way more than something modern that should hopefully be in good repair, the value in a Mezger for sale is in the work that's been done and if there's anything that's damaged you could be in for a big shock. My gearbox rebuild was circa £10k and that was getting on for fifteen years ago!
Super special the GT2 just check that there are no rev range 5 or 6 as this makes them difficult to sell on. The GT2 clutch wasn’t up the job cold mornings so it was easy enough to get clutch slip on the stock clutch causing RR 5, 6. Most GT2s should have the updated GT2 RS clutch by now retrofitted. If I was buying I would put in a bid at the top end of your budget for one. I don’t think they’re selling at over list dealers just trying their luck. The ones I’ve seen at auction have been nice ones nothing wrong with them maybe just a bit leggy for a GT2 for the investor/collector type. The mezger has quite a few weaknesses like spun camshafts and loose coolant hoses as they’re glued in you’ll be familiar with all the issues having had 996 turbo and GT2 in the past. Tough choice between one of these and a 991.2 GT3!
I love the GT2 looks best looking 997 for me.

I love the GT2 looks best looking 997 for me.
Probably a bit late for your research SM but we're about to find out by the looks of things...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...
I keep an eye on them as I d love to add one to the garage. I ve always felt they re a little bit too much. Almost bought one from JZM but we were £5k or £10k apart. It had a RR5 so I left it. At auction they ve made less than I offered JZM. I think the problem for the GT2 now is at similar budget or a smidge more I d go for a 720s. Maybe not quite as rugged as the Porsche but it s a different level of fast. Wasn t liked by many on PH but I love the R Red GT2 that s done 50,000 miles. No guilt to pile on more miles on it 





IMI A said:
Super special the GT2 just check that there are no rev range 5 or 6 as this makes them difficult to sell on. The GT2 clutch wasn t up the job cold mornings so it was easy enough to get clutch slip on the stock clutch causing RR 5, 6. Most GT2s should have the updated GT2 RS clutch by now retrofitted. If I was buying I would put in a bid at the top end of your budget for one. I don t think they re selling at over list dealers just trying their luck. The ones I ve seen at auction have been nice ones nothing wrong with them maybe just a bit leggy for a GT2 for the investor/collector type. The mezger has quite a few weaknesses like spun camshafts and loose coolant hoses as they re glued in you ll be familiar with all the issues having had 996 turbo and GT2 in the past. Tough choice between one of these and a 991.2 GT3!
How does a slipping clutch lead to an RR 5 or 6? I would have expected only a downshift into too low a gear could do that?AW10 said:
IMI A said:
Super special the GT2 just check that there are no rev range 5 or 6 as this makes them difficult to sell on. The GT2 clutch wasn t up the job cold mornings so it was easy enough to get clutch slip on the stock clutch causing RR 5, 6. Most GT2s should have the updated GT2 RS clutch by now retrofitted. If I was buying I would put in a bid at the top end of your budget for one. I don t think they re selling at over list dealers just trying their luck. The ones I ve seen at auction have been nice ones nothing wrong with them maybe just a bit leggy for a GT2 for the investor/collector type. The mezger has quite a few weaknesses like spun camshafts and loose coolant hoses as they re glued in you ll be familiar with all the issues having had 996 turbo and GT2 in the past. Tough choice between one of these and a 991.2 GT3!
How does a slipping clutch lead to an RR 5 or 6? I would have expected only a downshift into too low a gear could do that?IMI A said:
AW10 said:
IMI A said:
Super special the GT2 just check that there are no rev range 5 or 6 as this makes them difficult to sell on. The GT2 clutch wasn t up the job cold mornings so it was easy enough to get clutch slip on the stock clutch causing RR 5, 6. Most GT2s should have the updated GT2 RS clutch by now retrofitted. If I was buying I would put in a bid at the top end of your budget for one. I don t think they re selling at over list dealers just trying their luck. The ones I ve seen at auction have been nice ones nothing wrong with them maybe just a bit leggy for a GT2 for the investor/collector type. The mezger has quite a few weaknesses like spun camshafts and loose coolant hoses as they re glued in you ll be familiar with all the issues having had 996 turbo and GT2 in the past. Tough choice between one of these and a 991.2 GT3!
How does a slipping clutch lead to an RR 5 or 6? I would have expected only a downshift into too low a gear could do that?I know Pistonheads is primarily for car dealer/value talk but I love the video below, not a lot to see but very reassuring of Porsche prowess in the ultimate high speed stability and cleverness of the PASM on their road cars.
Fast forward to 1:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG96u_qm9Ls
Fast forward to 1:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG96u_qm9Ls
The only (only) way of getting an engine past the redline is by changing into a gear too low for the speed.
A slipping clutch, an accidental neutral or anything else cannot cause the engine to overrev. Increasing revs however quickly will immediately stop increasing when fuelling/spark stops. Increase in RPM doesn’t have “momentum” as it were.
However, my 996GT2 had a few revs recorded beyond the redline, but hardly any — like 100 ignitions or something. This happened during my ownership where I was the only driver and I GUARANTEE I didn’t mechanically overrev it. I did rarely hit the redline though and I’m convinced there is some buggy software in the ECU that recorded revlimiter action as overrevs. Not sure if the 997 version of the ECU did the same thing but I doubt it.
A slipping clutch, an accidental neutral or anything else cannot cause the engine to overrev. Increasing revs however quickly will immediately stop increasing when fuelling/spark stops. Increase in RPM doesn’t have “momentum” as it were.
However, my 996GT2 had a few revs recorded beyond the redline, but hardly any — like 100 ignitions or something. This happened during my ownership where I was the only driver and I GUARANTEE I didn’t mechanically overrev it. I did rarely hit the redline though and I’m convinced there is some buggy software in the ECU that recorded revlimiter action as overrevs. Not sure if the 997 version of the ECU did the same thing but I doubt it.
PRO5T said:
Probably a bit late for your research SM but we're about to find out by the looks of things...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...
Slightly late yes as I’ve just bought a 991.2 turbo s…. I’ll watch with interest, but I’m comfortable that for £100k my purchase is something I’m pleased to have done. Saying that, if this with this mileage goes for early 100s, like 110 or less I may be a bit upset https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-porsche-9...

I think with these rare cars appearing on CC I’m a little sceptical as to their condition because you’d imagine they’d be snapped up by the likes of 911v or JZM if they were a true “no stories” example. Based on pure speculation BTW, I bought a perfectly lovely 190e manual a few years ago from there and a couple of good motorbikes too.
supermono said:
The only (only) way of getting an engine past the redline is by changing into a gear too low for the speed.
A slipping clutch, an accidental neutral or anything else cannot cause the engine to overrev. Increasing revs however quickly will immediately stop increasing when fuelling/spark stops. Increase in RPM doesn t have momentum as it were.
However, my 996GT2 had a few revs recorded beyond the redline, but hardly any like 100 ignitions or something. This happened during my ownership where I was the only driver and I GUARANTEE I didn t mechanically overrev it. I did rarely hit the redline though and I m convinced there is some buggy software in the ECU that recorded revlimiter action as overrevs. Not sure if the 997 version of the ECU did the same thing but I doubt it.
I've got plenty of 997GT2 Durametric data from back in the day where 79XXrpm was registered during a gearchange, I've posted a screenshot below you can see it's not likely to be real but that may well stick in the ECU as a Range 5 A slipping clutch, an accidental neutral or anything else cannot cause the engine to overrev. Increasing revs however quickly will immediately stop increasing when fuelling/spark stops. Increase in RPM doesn t have momentum as it were.
However, my 996GT2 had a few revs recorded beyond the redline, but hardly any like 100 ignitions or something. This happened during my ownership where I was the only driver and I GUARANTEE I didn t mechanically overrev it. I did rarely hit the redline though and I m convinced there is some buggy software in the ECU that recorded revlimiter action as overrevs. Not sure if the 997 version of the ECU did the same thing but I doubt it.

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