Glad I don t live in Wales

[bad company]

I wasn’t sure whether to post this here or NP&E but here goes. The lunatics are trying to or maybe already have taken over the asylum. Very worrying imo.

[P675]

Get you out of the car to.. do what? Ride a sheep? Much of Wales isn't practical for public transport, cycling or whatever else.

[Hoofy]

"Glad I don t live in Wales" Thing is, other places will be watching with interest and then will implement. Various cities already now have CAZ/ULEZ and charging an extra tax is on the cards. Naturally, we'll just pay up.

I suppose one issue is the zero tax take on EVs. I don't mean VED - I mean fuel tax. Hasn't Khan already said he wants PAYG for cars? I hear the ULEZ cameras can help with this.

[covmutley]

Absolute idiots. Some of the poorest communities in Wales are in rural areas and rely on a car..

Honestly, they do what they can here it make it worse! It will be reform next likely.

[NDA]

Does it say why or who has asked for these measures? Maybe I missed it.

[Checkmate]

'Motivation'
I think they missed the word "punitive" in front of that.
Plenty of studies show that's a dreadful idea.

[soad]

[FourWheelDrift]

covmutley said:

Absolute idiots. Some of the poorest communities in Wales are in rural areas and rely on a car..

Honestly, they do what they can here it make it worse! It will be reform next likely.

Councils are going to be raising council taxes to pay for the extra 50 seater buses needed, routes added and new drivers just to carry 2 passengers.

[CoolHands]

Their lack of jobs is obviously part of their ‘reduce demand’ strategy. No jobs + lots of universal credit with added PIP = less need to drive

[BoRED S2upid]

So this is a transport plan until 2027 when they won’t be in power and they haven’t even started it yet. Sums up Welsh Labour.

[Nick Forest]

They don’t really want you to stop using your car, they just want you to be bent over to squeeze more revenue taxes out of you.

Remember, the London Mayor cares about air quality and childrens asthma but for £12.50 a day you can carry on as normal….

Any “taxes/incentives/charges” are never about your safety or improving the environment.

[snuffy]

Nick Forest said:

They don t really want you to stop using your car, they just want you to be bent over to squeeze more revenue taxes out of you.

Remember, the London Mayor cares about air quality and childrens asthma but for £12.50 a day you can carry on as normal .

Any taxes/incentives/charges are never about your safety or improving the environment.

Correct.

Taxes are not designed to change behaviour, they are designed to not change behaviour, and instead people just keep on paying.

If they do manage to change behaviour then it's "Oh st...."

[Hoofy]

NDA said:

Does it say why or who has asked for these measures? Maybe I missed it.

They'll have done a "consultation" then got the results, twisting the results to suit or simply dropped the results in the bin. Then gone ahead with whatever they wanted to do in the first place.

[Don Roque]

The last time I went to southwest Wales the drive from the Welsh border to my destination took as long as the drive from Northumberland to the Welsh border! The road network and public transport networks there aren't fit to price people out of their cars.

In all my life, I'm not sure I can remember a canal of government that was ever this woeful. The Welsh have it bad indeed.

[daqinggregg]

Just a guess, based on no factual reasoning; I would think a significant number of young Welshmen view a car as more than a means of transport, with most seeing a car as part of ‘a way life’ or even a hobby, restrictions on which maybe detrimental to their well-being.

[Alickadoo]

bad company said:

I wasn t sure whether to post this here or NP&E but here goes. The lunatics are trying to or maybe already have taken over the asylum. Very worrying imo.

1. The Welsh people voted for them and it's up to the Welsh people to vote them out at the next election - or - vote them in again and get more of the same. The government of Wales wasn't imposed upon the people of Wales - they voted them in and will continue to vote them in until the people of Wales see the error of their ways.

2. It's the same principle in the whole of the UK. "14 years of Tory misrule". Well, why did you keep voting for them, then? You - the British electorate - voted four times for a Tory government.

3. It's your own fault.

Edited by Alickadoo on Saturday 2nd August 07:20

[kambites]

This should definitely be in NP&E.

[rodericb]

daqinggregg said:

Just a guess, based on no factual reasoning; I would think a significant number of young Welshmen view a car as more than a means of transport, with most seeing a car as part of a way life or even a hobby, restrictions on which maybe detrimental to their well-being.

The trend for young people seems to be eschewing mobility and embracing, well, agoraphobia.....

As long as they've got the Internet and an underclass of (brown) people to bring things to their door which they've purchased via the Internet, they're set!

[andy43]

covmutley said:

Absolute idiots. Some of the poorest communities in Wales are in rural areas and rely on a car..

Honestly, they do what they can here it make it worse! It will be reform next likely.

Bingo.
Similar to why France have voted to bin their CritAir zones. The franc has finally dropped. Schemes like this disproportionately affect the poorest in society, those who really do need affordable transport.

[JakeT]

rodericb said:

The trend for young people seems to be eschewing mobility and embracing, well, agoraphobia.....

As long as they've got the Internet and an underclass of (brown) people to bring things to their door which they've purchased via the Internet, they're set!

Okay. With such drivel being spouted this really should be in NP&E.