Dishwasher : help me choose

[Wish]

Our integrated dishwasher has gone bang tonight. It’s a Bosch that’s about 12 to 15 years old. So time for a replacement.

Do I stick wifh Bosch or look at Miele or Neff ?

Would like to come in at a grand inc taking the old one away and fitting of the new one.

[Wish]

Bosch link from John Lewis
https://www.johnlewis.com/bosch-series-4-smv4ecx23...

And the Miele from John Lewis
https://www.johnlewis.com/miele-g5150-scvi-active-...

[wyson]

Both look decent.

C or D efficiency ratings, which I'm speculating mean they might be more durable.

Full stainless steel tub.

I find the floor indicator light on my Bosch useful.

If you get Bosch 6 Series, you get a projected time remaining light, Zeolith drying which I was told help with plastics and a Clean zone for extra powerful jets that clean stubborn stains.

I think Miele had an outlet with discounts.

I found Bosch's websites with the full specs useful:
https://www.bosch-home.co.uk/en/product/dishwasher...

At the end of the day, both will be fine.

Edited by wyson on Tuesday 5th August 22:25

[mikeiow]

wyson said:

Both look decent.

C or D efficiency ratings, which I'm speculating mean they might be more durable.

Full stainless steel tub.

I find the floor indicator light on my Bosch useful.

If you get Bosch 6 Series, you get a projected time remaining light, Zeolith drying which I was told help with plastics and a Clean zone for extra powerful jets that clean stubborn stains.

I think Miele had an outlet with discounts.

I found Bosch's websites with the full specs useful:
https://www.bosch-home.co.uk/en/product/dishwasher...

At the end of the day, both will be fine.

Why would C or D rating mean they are more durable?
Surely just uses less energy than an E or F, but more than an A or B?

We have a two drawer Fisher Paykel….now over 16 years old, & clearly on its last legs - top drawer blew the house fuse once & now makes awful noise, bottom one seems to work but sounds a bit iffy now….

Considering our options - the drawers are brilliant, but they are flipping expensive now!

Looking at A or B rated….. this kind of thing, perhaps.

[wyson]

Just going from what my heating engineer told me about boilers. He said everything inside is lightweight and thin these days, to help with heat transfer and reduce losses, at the expense of reliability. I m speculating the same might apply to dishwashers, seeing it also pumps and heats water.

I think there is a similar thing going on with car engines. All these tiny 3 cylinder engines with wet belts and turbos to maximise on paper efficiency gains. Can t see many Ford 1.0 Ecoboosts lasting 200k miles. Was reading stuff like piston rings have become thinner and thinner over the years, and with less tension against the cylinder walls to help with efficiency, which obviously isn t the best for long term durability.

Edited by wyson on Wednesday 6th August 08:50

[thetapeworm]

You might find this recent discussion useful...

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[dobly]

Just buy the most expensive Bosch you can justify - looks like SMD8YCX03G is the one you want.

[blueg33]

Having had early failures with two out of three recent Bosch machines, we have moved to Miele. They seem better made but don’t quite dry as well. They are more reliable so far.

[Paul Drawmer]

With efficiency ratings, bear in mind that they're irrelevant if, like me, you just always choose express setting.

Do NOT buy Hisense. They are cheap crap. We went back to Bosch. Happy now.

[Dave Hedgehog]

I would stick with Bosch but only the series 6 or higher machines as if I recall correctly they are still made in Germany and the lower stuff is Chinesium

[mikeiow]

Paul Drawmer said:

With efficiency ratings, bear in mind that they're irrelevant if, like me, you just always choose express setting.

Do NOT buy Hisense. They are cheap crap. We went back to Bosch. Happy now.

Have you used a Hisense?
We have several of their TVs dotted about….work very well. Reviews of their dishwasher don’t scream “awful” to me, albeit after a 1 minute skim search!

We also have a Beko washing machine, which has worked brilliantly for a cheap brand.

[Sheets Tabuer]

I have that bosch, great bit of kit but the cutlery drawer is sometimes a pain in the arse, especially if you want to put something a bit bigger on the top shelf, I also bought a larger cutlery basket for it as the drawer was too much of a pain.

[zalrak]

We have that very Miele machine and it is very good. Quiet, very quick on one of the settings (the more intense settings take longer obviously but we rarely need to use these) and cleans perfectly. We use the Miele tablets so I don't know how well it works with others.

The middle rack is adjustable. We normally have it on the lower setting but it can be raised if you have larger plates in the bottom rack.

I would recommend it based on our use.

[Chrisgr31]

Sheets Tabuer said:

I have that bosch, great bit of kit but the cutlery drawer is sometimes a pain in the arse, especially if you want to put something a bit bigger on the top shelf, I also bought a larger cutlery basket for it as the drawer was too much of a pain.

The cutlery drawer is the one reason we bought a Bosch! So much better than a cutlery basket!

Just shows we all have different requirements!

[Sheets Tabuer]

I'm just lazy, found it easier to throw stuff in the basket than pull the drawer out and arrange it.

I do find it uses more salt and rinse aid than my previous one though, by a mile.

[Jonathan27]

I'd suggest the fisher and paykel dishdrawer. You can just put one half on if its a small load, and you don't need to squat down to load / unload it. We've had it for about eight years now, and when it eventually gives up, I'll be buying the exact same thing again.

[paralla]

I know it's not what you asked but I REALLY like the convenience of the auto dosing thing in our Miele dishwasher. Instead of powder or tablets it uses Power Discs that last about 20 washes. I didn't know it was a thing until we got it but now I wouldn't be without it.

I also like a timed/delayed/programmed start time set to 12:30am when our leccy switches to the cheaper EV tarif overnight rate. Cut price leccy makes me not care as much about what program I'm using, I play fast and lose with Auto rather than Eco because running it overnight is much cheaper.

[Sheepshanks]

paralla said:

I know it's not what you asked but I REALLY like the convenience of the auto dosing thing in our Miele dishwasher. Instead of powder or tablets it uses Power Discs that last about 20 washes. I didn't know it was a thing until we got it but now I wouldn't be without it.

I also like a timed/delayed/programmed start time set to 12:30am when our leccy switches to the cheaper EV tarif overnight rate. Cut price leccy makes me not care as much about what program I'm using, I play fast and lose with Auto rather than Eco because running it overnight is much cheaper.

Are those Power Discs really 50p/wash? Jeepers - thank Goodness for the cheaper electric.

I think pretty well all dishwashers have timed start.

[Joeywinkle]

+1 for Bosch. We moved last year, and had a freestanding bottom of the rung Bosch in our old house. You could put stuff of all states in there and it would come out sparkling and in 6 years never caused us a fuss. New house has an integrated AEG and while it looks fancy and does fancy things and i'm sure was comparatively much more expensive than our old Bosch it is crap in comparison at the thing you actually want it to do!

[Harpoon]

mikeiow said:

Paul Drawmer said:

With efficiency ratings, bear in mind that they're irrelevant if, like me, you just always choose express setting.

Do NOT buy Hisense. They are cheap crap. We went back to Bosch. Happy now.

Have you used a Hisense?
We have several of their TVs dotted about .work very well. Reviews of their dishwasher don t scream awful to me, albeit after a 1 minute skim search!

We also have a Beko washing machine, which has worked brilliantly for a cheap brand.

We bought a Hisense DW (HV693C60UK) on the back of the Which review about 18 months ago. We now have a Bosch.

The short version is the repair service between Hisense and Pacfica is a shambles. For instance, they managed to close our fault as fixed between the second and third engineer visit. So when the 3rd engineer arrived, he was expecting a first visit and didn't have the parts the 2nd engineer had ordered.

The Hisense first line agents (somewhere in Eastern Europe I think) you speak to are very nice but they can't do much and if you want to complain or escalate, they just refer to a mysterious "backoffice management" who you can't speak to. You have to e-mail complaints which just adds more time to getting a resolution.

Eventually Hisense did give us an uplift code to use with the supplier (Marks Electrical) for a replacement or refund, hence now having a Bosch SMV4HVX00G.

I did do some sums comparing the 4 series we went for to a 6 series which was listed as more energy efficient but cost an extra £270. I might have got my sums wrong in Excel but based on running it four times a week, the payback period of the 6 series was 29 years.