shoplifter dies after being restrained in Coop

[Purosangue]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czr660650myo

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14993757/...

thoughts

there's an epidemic of shoplifting in the Uk , Police seem to be underpowered . My wife and daughter were shopping in JD sports the other day when a 50+ male and druggie girlfriend grabbed a load of garments and walked out . the till assistant and security did nothing !!

I wasn't there but being a 50+ 200lb angry ph executive built like a brick out house with a temper would have intervened

fk em . I worked all my life overseas in oririble countries overseas for low life scum to rob in broad daylight in sleepy Dorset

no one wants tio see anyone hurt but this scum was threatening staff

good on the guy for restraining him but he will probably do time for stepping in

[KingNothing]

At least he'll not be stealing anything else now.

[Randy Winkman]

There's been a thing about pharmacies being robbed in the news today. I was in a pharmacy in a very middle class part of SE London the other day and the lady serving there told me they'd been robbed 3 times that day. She said that was normal. One had just happened which is why the topic came up.

[philv]

Tough.
Scumbags.

[Earthdweller]

The number of people who complain when they see a number of police officers restraining a prisoner saying "it doesn't take that many, I could do it on my own"

Well this IS what can happen when people who aren't trained in safe restraint and issues such as positional asphyxiation have a go

[bitchstewie]

Quite.

This thread will end up with the usual Harry Brown types saying "tough" but legally it'll come down to proportionality.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Pretty sure if you assault staff that's Robbery, not shoplifting.

Disgusting that the guy protecting the other shoppers has been arrested (process being used as punishment) however if there no missing information from the report I can't imagine any jury convicting.

Of course, if he doesn't get legal aid he'll lose his house defending himself.

[philv]

The last time i read about police officers trying to detain a suspect (airport) they got well and truly bloodied.

How does one determine proportionate ?

[Earthdweller]

philv said:

The last time i read about police officers trying to detain a suspect (airport) they got well and truly bloodied.

How does one determine proportionate ?

That is frequently a question answered by twelve of your peers

[fttm]

Earthdweller said:

The number of people who complain when they see a number of police officers restraining a prisoner saying "it doesn't take that many, I could do it on my own"

Well this IS what can happen when people who aren't trained in safe restraint and issues such as positional asphyxiation have a go

Easy answer - don't go thieving !!!! Zero sympathy for those that do .

[BikeBikeBIke]

Earthdweller said:

Well this IS what can happen when people who aren't trained in safe restraint and issues such as positional asphyxiation have a go

Yeah, let's hope for a great deal more of it.

[Saleen836]

Similar thing happened a few years ago not too far from where I live, security guard tackled a shoplifter...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-39...

[Purosangue]

philv said:

The last time i read about police officers trying to detain a suspect (airport) they got well and truly bloodied.

How does one determine proportionate ?

2015 northern Iraq ISIS

we had a young Iraqi lad working with us from Basra who would on weekends go and supported the local Iraqi forces fighting ISIS in the north He came back excited & showed me pictures of video nasties . An ISLIL Guy in his 20s crucified on the bonnet of a Landcruiser very graphic next picture was our lad in his Khakis with an AK47 standing next to the body

I asked what happened . He said these people ISIS have no honour if they come to Basra they will rape torture and kill our families so we are barbaric and take no prisoners

Proportionate
Hell yes

So a vigilante intervening with scum who rob shops I have no sympathy

but I would have put him in an hand lock restrained him possibly the recovery position and not put him in a fatal choke hold

be safe out there

[Jasandjules]

We perhaps ought to consider whether criminals are afforded too many protections.

[FiF]

And yet Thames Valley PCC says that other shoppers who fail to intervene and challenge shoplifters are part of the problem.

Sorry but as commented previously having seen a set walk out of Tesco with an overflowing trolley and loading it into their itinerant tree surgeon Transit, with the security oguy specifically paid by the store shrugging at events. Then no chance.

Thames Valley PCC is shouting at clouds and will regret it when an intervening customer suffers injury or worse. Idiot.

[BunkMoreland]

Saleen836 said:

Similar thing happened a few years ago not too far from where I live, security guard tackled a shoplifter...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-39...

Well the good thing there is that the guard was not prosecuted. So there's precedent!

Problem here is that 2tier will get involved and likes to "send a message"

[paulw123]

Good, shoplifters are vermin and he sounds like a lovely case.

According the the daily mail article he was hardly an upright pillar of the community.

[TroubledSoul]

said:

Most are. Some people are desperate and trying to feed their families. The latter would probably be mortified if challenged though, rather than confrontational.

[CT05 Nose Cone]

Randy Winkman said:

There's been a thing about pharmacies being robbed in the news today. I was in a pharmacy in a very middle class part of SE London the other day and the lady serving there told me they'd been robbed 3 times that day. She said that was normal. One had just happened which is why the topic came up.

A pharmacy I can at least understand as it would be easy for the scrotes to resell. I was in Hobby Craft recently and the cashier was struggling to remove the tag on a model kit, I commented it seemed a bit pointless but apparently they get stolen all the time. Maybe I'm sheltered but I didn't think there was a thriving black market for Airfix kits.

Although in this particular incidence, it can't help but strike me as a tragic, pointless waste. Just think of the produce that would have been spoiled in the scuffle.

[BikeBikeBIke]

Jasandjules said:

We perhaps ought to consider whether criminals are afforded too many protections.

I'm happy for crims to have all their current legal protections.

But given there's no budget to deal with many crimes (shoplifting being one of them) couldn't "they" just say "In the same way that we don't prosecute shoplifters we can't afford to prosecute people defending shopworkers from attack, although the law remains in place."