Help Choosing An EV with 240v Output?

[RGG]

I read some time ago the Ioniq 5 could provide 240v?
Is that actually so?

Could someone explain that to me, please?

I am looking for an EV that can do this and the budget is circa 20K.

Are there positives and negatives to this?

I would be very grateful if I could get a list of cars that can do this, good ones and not so good ones.

Thanks very much.

[Mammasaid]

Check here

https://ev-database.org/uk/#group=vehicle-group&am...

[SWoll]

You're looking for an EV that offers something called Vehicle to Load (V2L). It will allow you to use an adapter and utilize the charge in the battery to power external items.

https://zecar.com/resources/which-electric-cars-ha...

Don't confuse it with V2G which allows the car to feed power back into the grid for balancing.

Best options for £20k are likely to be the Ioniq 5 you mentioned or Kia EV6/Niro

The only negative is the potential for additional charge cycles affecting battery degradation, but assuming occasional use that really shouldn't be a concern.

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 13th August 15:37

[kambites]

Do you want 240 volts inside the car or outside? Lots of cars have the ability to plug an adapter into the charge port to get a mains socket while the car is stopped, a smaller number have an internal mains socket.

[RGG]

kambites said:

Do you want 240 volts inside the car or outside? Lots of cars have the ability to plug an adapter into the charge port to get a mains socket while the car is stopped, a smaller number have an internal mains socket.

I would be thinking of something that , say an extension lead could be attached which then powers items external to the car.

If that can be done, I am then interested in the ampage output etc.

Hope that makes sense.

To use only when the car is stationary.

[SWoll]

RGG said:

I would be thinking of something that , say an extension lead could be attached which then powers items external to the car.

If that can be done, I am then interested in the ampage output etc.

Hope that makes sense.

To use only when the car is stationary.

Assuming we are talking about the European version the external port on the Ioniq 5 will deliver 240v/15 amps/3600W max.

One of the only disappointing things about our EV is that it doesn't support V2L. With a 90kWh battery it would do a great job of keeping things running at home during our regular power cuts out in the sticks.

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 13th August 15:58

[kambites]

I think our MG4 is limited to 3kW, although I'm not sure because I've not had reason to use it yet. Most seem to be somewhere around that figure.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 13th August 16:43

[clockworks]

My Kia EV3 has a standard 3 pin socket under the back seat, as well as an adaptor that plugs into the charging port, with a 3pin socket on the end.
Both can supply up to 3.6KW, so anything that can be safely plugged in inside your house (via a 13A plug) will be fine.

The Kia app can set a battery capacity limit for V2L use, so no danger of running it down too low.

Note that only the top trim level does V2L - not sure if that's the case with other Kia/Hyundai models.

[RGG]

clockworks said:

My Kia EV3 has a standard 3 pin socket under the back seat, as well as an adaptor that plugs into the charging port, with a 3pin socket on the end.
Both can supply up to 3.6KW, so anything that can be safely plugged in inside your house (via a 13A plug) will be fine.

The Kia app can set a battery capacity limit for V2L use, so no danger of running it down too low.

Note that only the top trim level does V2L - not sure if that's the case with other Kia/Hyundai models.

Thanks for this.

Yes, I was checking the Ioniq 5 spec a while ago and I think it's the top trim that has it and I think it was or still is an extra even at that level.

[PetrolHeadInRecovery]

RGG said:

kambites said:

Do you want 240 volts inside the car or outside? Lots of cars have the ability to plug an adapter into the charge port to get a mains socket while the car is stopped, a smaller number have an internal mains socket.

I would be thinking of something that , say an extension lead could be attached which then powers items external to the car.

If that can be done, I am then interested in the ampage output etc.

Hope that makes sense.

To use only when the car is stationary.

Ioniq 5 supports 240 volts from the socket inside the cabin (footspace in the middle of the back seat) without adapter and also 240 output from the charging port with one. Apparently your can use both simultaneously (7.2kW total), but I don't recall what order they needed to be taken into use.

The in-cabin one works while driving, which can be handy (case: 1000km day in the office with a laptop from the passenger seat).

[RGG]

PetrolHeadInRecovery said:

RGG said:

kambites said:

Do you want 240 volts inside the car or outside? Lots of cars have the ability to plug an adapter into the charge port to get a mains socket while the car is stopped, a smaller number have an internal mains socket.

I would be thinking of something that , say an extension lead could be attached which then powers items external to the car.

If that can be done, I am then interested in the ampage output etc.

Hope that makes sense.

To use only when the car is stationary.

Ioniq 5 supports 240 volts from the socket inside the cabin (footspace in the middle of the back seat) without adapter and also 240 output from the charging port with one. Apparently your can use both simultaneously (7.2kW total), but I don't recall what order they needed to be taken into use.

The in-cabin one works while driving, which can be handy (case: 1000km day in the office with a laptop from the passenger seat).

It's quite an asset especially in this day and age - obviating the need to use always use the 12v socket on smaller electronics and the bonus of being able to provide power to larger 240v ones.

[TheRainMaker]

SWoll said:

RGG said:

I would be thinking of something that , say an extension lead could be attached which then powers items external to the car.

If that can be done, I am then interested in the ampage output etc.

Hope that makes sense.

To use only when the car is stationary.

Assuming we are talking about the European version the external port on the Ioniq 5 will deliver 240v/15 amps/3600W max.

One of the only disappointing things about our EV is that it doesn't support V2L. With a 90kWh battery it would do a great job of keeping things running at home during our regular power cuts out in the sticks.

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 13th August 15:58

You might find it can, but it will cost you.

We are considering adding a DC charger to our home system, which would theoretically allow almost any EV with a CCS port to do so.

It seems like it is all in an experimental stage at the moment, but someone has tried it with an Audi A6 Etron in Sweden, and it works.

[johnnyreggae]

Stretch your budget a little and the Hyundai inster town car has 240 v output socket option - probably the smallest/cheapest

[blueg33]

We had a power cut last month just as I was halfway through roasting a chicken in the air fryer.

I plugged air fryer into the 240v socket located in the rear of our Ioniq5n. It worked a treat we got our roast dinner.

[OutInTheShed]

I have an inverter I can run from 12V from any car where the battery is accessible.
There are various solutions like the Jackery range.

People's 230V needs vary a lot. A mate was talking about running a welder from a PHEV, turned out it was easier to just buy a battery welder!

[kambites]

OutInTheShed said:

People's 230V needs vary a lot.

They do. I would guess one of the biggest use-cases is boiling a kettle when away from home (for example when camping), which requires a fair bit of power.

[blueg33]

We had a power cut last month just as I was halfway through roasting a chicken in the air fryer.

I plugged air fryer into the 240v socket located in the rear of our Ioniq5n. It worked a treat we got our roast dinner.

[ashenfie]

kambites said:

OutInTheShed said:

People's 230V needs vary a lot.

They do. I would guess one of the biggest use-cases is boiling a kettle when away from home (for example when camping), which requires a fair bit of power.

Then again you can buy for £6 a cup 12v heater, which is small and will do the job just as well rather than carrying a kettle in the car.

[OutInTheShed]

Boiling kettles and the like could add up to a lot of drain on an IC car's battery.
A camping stove is effective.

A lot of people just want to use mains adapters to charge stuff.
It seems the most common use of an inverter is to power mains chargers.
But if you offer people that kind of power, they'll want more!

[PetrolHeadInRecovery]

OutInTheShed said:

Boiling kettles and the like could add up to a lot of drain on an IC car's battery.
A camping stove is effective.

A lot of people just want to use mains adapters to charge stuff.
It seems the most common use of an inverter is to power mains chargers.
But if you offer people that kind of power, they'll want more!

Related wondering: does anyone have experiences with non-trivial loads on the 12V plug on an EV? Ioniq 5 limits the power to 180W, so an inverter seems like a bad idea. 12V kettles appear to be around 100W, so should work. It might require patience compared to a typical household one (1500W).

An Ioniq 5 could run a 1500W kettle continuously for more than 30 hours (assuming 80->20% SoC). Somewhat unlikely use case, admittedly.