Potential Scud/458 purchase

[Andy_67C]

I’m considering taking the jump and buying my first Ferrari. I’ve only just began my search and I’m conflicted somewhat between a well sorted 458 or a scud (I love both for different reasons). How often do good examples of scuds arise on the market typically? Am I right to think 0<10 decent cars a year are likely to make the classifieds (excluding LHD or Imports)? Given how few RHD cars remain, I’m mindful i may have to be open to colour choice as I’ll be buying on condition and history.

[MDL111]

I can't help you with your question, but I regret selling my Scuderia pretty much every day. It is an amazing car to drive and the gearbox is by far the most entertaining non-manual box I have ever driven - much prefer it to a DCT.
Have never driven a 458, so can't compare to that car.
Suderia is quite rare compared to the cars that came after it
Mine had 77k km on it when I sold it and the dealer drove it and said it drove much better than others he had driven (could have told me that before selling it ... I wanted to pull it from sale as I knew I would regret it, but then "out of the blue" he had a buyer and I did not want to mess him about after he effectively stored it for free for me for 6-8 months). If you get one get a proper geo on it, I had something similar to the Challenge geo and it changed the car.

Edit to add: and if they had not gone up in value, I would get a loan and buy one back.

Edited by MDL111 on Saturday 16th August 08:48

[ted 191]

I went from Scuderia to 458, not including the shocking build quality of the scuderia…….the 458 is a far better car in all areas.

[Andy_67C]

ted 191 said:

I went from Scuderia to 458, not including the shocking build quality of the scuderia…….the 458 is a far better car in all areas.

Interesting, what issues did you experience/what’s the main parts you found to be poor?

[Andy_67C]

MDL111 said:

I can't help you with your question, but I regret selling my Scuderia pretty much every day. It is an amazing car to drive and the gearbox is by far the most entertaining non-manual box I have ever driven - much prefer it to a DCT.
Have never driven a 458, so can't compare to that car.
Suderia is quite rare compared to the cars that came after it
Mine had 77k km on it when I sold it and the dealer drove it and said it drove much better than others he had driven (could have told me that before selling it ... I wanted to pull it from sale as I knew I would regret it, but then "out of the blue" he had a buyer and I did not want to mess him about after he effectively stored it for free for me for 6-8 months). If you get one get a proper geo on it, I had something similar to the Challenge geo and it changed the car.

Edit to add: and if they had not gone up in value, I would get a loan and buy one back.

Edited by MDL111 on Saturday 16th August 08:48

Thanks for the advice. Did yours take over 6 months to sell SOR?

[MDL111]

Andy_67C said:

Thanks for the advice. Did yours take over 6 months to sell SOR?

Yes I think it was about that - from memory I gave it to him when the summer was over and he sold it in spring - which is why/when I wanted it back as I wanted to drive it again. My decision to sell it was based on a large service/repair bill and I had not driven it in a while and was pissed off about the cost. irrational decision-making at the time.
checked after posting and to buy one back would now cost me at least 220k euros, which I don't have - so not an option for now unfortunately.

[marky1]

I’ve had two Scuderia’s. Great cars buy one!

[supersport]

I went from cooking F430 to 458.

The 458 was loads better in most ways. But I still sort of miss the 430.

It was rawer and more comfortable, I’m 6ft 4 and I loved the looks. I had them both for almost a year and never drove the 430. That rawness made it a bit grating on a long run. I’d never have noticed if I hadn’t had the 458, it was much more refined and modern.

I’d be tempted to start with the scud and then move on later if you want to.

[Drl22]

In my opinion it depends what your use case for the car is. The scud is a huge event to drive, noisy, dramatic and engaging, the gearbox is something to get used to but once you do it’s brilliant, the whole experience is intoxicating and race car like, maybe for that type of experience it’s only bettered by the 360 CS. This is however, perhaps also a negative if you want a car to go on longer trips across Europe. In that case the 458 is probably the better option, it’s not as raw but can still be an animal whilst also being comfortable, it’s a brilliant car and will never leave my ownership, it does everything from pootling through town to mountain runs. Your running costs are also going to be much better on a 458, everything is more accessible and of course it’s newer. Both are great cars but quite different.

[MDL111]

I always thought the Scuderia was quite comfortable as a road trip car. If you keep the revs below 4k and the exhaust flaps closed, it is not particularly loud; it has aircon and a radio; it is quite soft in terms of damping. The seats are either fine or give you backache depending on your body shape, I personally find the Porsche bucket seats much more comfortable, but that is specific to the individual. It has a decent sized trunk plus space behind the seats for small suitcases or softbags.
I assume all those things apply to the 458 too though and that is probably an even softer car.

[ted 191]

Andy_67C said:

Interesting, what issues did you experience/what’s the main parts you found to be poor?

Main dealer bought car with less than 4000 miles, 2009 car bought 2011, on delivery both front ball joints knocking and replaced, within 2 months, all the engine and headlight carbon had gone milky, extensive corrosion on the bonnet and the front bumper was lined up with various sized rusty washers from the factory.
After the third warranty visit, I told them not to bring it back and sell it !

It had every option except a radio , not very good for Euro trips and useless on track.

[MDL111]

in fairness ball joints are an issue / need regular replacement on all V8 cars [not sure about the newest ones] as far as I am aware (and from memory not covered by the useless extended warranty)

[phil bird]

5 years ownership and no regrets the scuds a very special car

Ferrari Chat >>>> The Scuderia is miles scarier than a 458 could ever be, and I say that in the most tremendously good, emotional and Ferrari way. It’s an other worldly tingle and boatloads of school girl giggles waiting to happen.

There’s just a larger sense of purpose and occasion in a Scuderia than a 458...you only need open the door and peek at the interior; one screams speed racer and the other gt, yet ironically they both share the same identical race seats simply with different upholstery...I used to get a huge laugh on fchat when I read people making outrageous claims that the 458 race seats are so much more comfortable than the Scud! little do these poor blokes realize they are exactly the same seats! lol

The way the two cars shift is also very different...the scud’s single clutch superfast is just so visceral and invigorating, you get this nice kick every time you tickle that shift paddle. The 458 DCT shifts are also a marvel, smooth and seamless but isn’t really that unique in this sea of new gen Ferraris ie feels the same in almost any other model that can be had today, try em out if you don’t believe me.

The performance topic is also one worth thinking about. The Scud offers competitive modern day performance, not the fastest thing on the road but in my books fast enough...for starters its 0-60 is the same as a 458 at 3.0s (actual road tests not magazine numbers). It does the same laptime of 1:23 at Fiorano on inferior PZero tires; there is no doubt in my mind in equal hands and equal tires it will be faster than a 458 around a track. Also, check out the “Official Scuderia Drag Thread” there are a few head-to-heads against a 458 on an airstrip.

Maintenance will be cheaper on a Scud, the electronics & sensors on a 458 are outrageously expensive! And they do go bad eventually ie require replacement. But like any Ferrari, it’s always wise to put aside money every year just in case

Sound...I think with the proper modifications both sound tremendous, either will be miles better than a 488 or a Pista, anyone that says otherwise is deaf or lying to oneself...it’s not even a debate really.

Looks...I always categorized the Scud as handsome and the 458 pretty, very simply because the Scud has a bigger nod to race trim, with vents, a livery and aggressive scoops while the 458 is more curvaceous, sculpted elegance and daintier/feminine curves.

For the F1 fan in me, I also just geek out and strike a very emotional bond with the Scud because the great Michael Schumacher helped develop the car...every time I get behind the wheel I feel just a bit closer to my hero and get to admire and enjoy a small bit of his genius. The frickin name of the car alone is the F1 team itself, that’s just cool! It’s all there that race pedigree & heritage.

Edited by Phil10b on Monday 18th August 23:22

[FuzzBuzz]

I went 458 to scud then eventually back to 458.

Loved the scud. A really cool car and can be understated as doesn’t really stand out from a normal F430.

However, in my opinion the a well spec’d 458 is better in every single way!

[FuzzBuzz]

I went 458 to scud then eventually back to 458.

Loved the scud. A really cool car and can be understated as doesn’t really stand out from a normal F430.

However, in my opinion the a well spec’d 458 is better in every single way!