Did COVID affect us more than we care to admit?
Discussion
Obviously previous generations here and inhabitants of other countries have lived through a lot worse, such as war and famine. But despite the 'just pull your socks up and get over it' brigade, of which I probably lean more towards, do you think COVID has had more of an affect on us, our mental (and physical) health than perhaps we might care to admit? Maybe particularly the younger generation.
Yes, everyone will have been affected in some way, some more than others. There was so much fear and disinformation spread from the media and Government that some will have had their mental health severely damaged.
- Then There are the older people who had their social circles shut down, you can see some serious declines in their faculties that will never be recovered
- Who knows what long term effect this will have on young childrens development
- Then there is the year of lost schooling for the school age children and the fake grades handed out like sweets to those doing GCSE/A levels
Then you have the huge amount of money wasted that cannot be used today to improve our lives, so we now have to live with a s
ttier NHS, poorer public services, etc, etc
- Then There are the older people who had their social circles shut down, you can see some serious declines in their faculties that will never be recovered
- Who knows what long term effect this will have on young childrens development
- Then there is the year of lost schooling for the school age children and the fake grades handed out like sweets to those doing GCSE/A levels
Then you have the huge amount of money wasted that cannot be used today to improve our lives, so we now have to live with a s
ttier NHS, poorer public services, etc, etcDefinitely did.
People died, got injured lost their jobs. Then there are the people who worked so hard during the pandemic; I know 2 that had mental and physical breakdowns and they haven't come back from it. And that costs the economy.
There were a lot of people moaning about being bored but I can't sympathise with that very much compared to the other stuff.
Plus the national debt went up a lot which we are going to pay for a long time maybe never pay it back.
People died, got injured lost their jobs. Then there are the people who worked so hard during the pandemic; I know 2 that had mental and physical breakdowns and they haven't come back from it. And that costs the economy.
There were a lot of people moaning about being bored but I can't sympathise with that very much compared to the other stuff.
Plus the national debt went up a lot which we are going to pay for a long time maybe never pay it back.
Speed Badger said:
Obviously previous generations here and inhabitants of other countries have lived through a lot worse, such as war and famine. But despite the 'just pull your socks up and get over it' brigade, of which I probably lean more towards, do you think COVID has had more of an affect on us, our mental (and physical) health than perhaps we might care to admit? Maybe particularly the younger generation.
I read one quote that we protected the old but destroyed the young . I think it’s a good summary. Locking up young people in their youth isn’t good Tagteam said:
Speed Badger said:
Obviously previous generations here and inhabitants of other countries have lived through a lot worse, such as war and famine. But despite the 'just pull your socks up and get over it' brigade, of which I probably lean more towards, do you think COVID has had more of an affect on us, our mental (and physical) health than perhaps we might care to admit? Maybe particularly the younger generation.
I read one quote that we protected the old but destroyed the young . I think it’s a good summary. Locking up young people in their youth isn’t good 98elise said:
How did it destroy the young? For most It was a period of inconvenience, not a war!
I think many parents of young children would disagree with you there. Very limited social contact, no school, no play parks, no play groups, no exercise facilities, for the best part of 2 years. This all at a time in their lives where social, educational and physical experiences very much shape the foundations of an individual.
Add to the mix children with no siblings, children who suffer abuse or neglect. I don't think the impact should be so easily discounted as 'inconvenience '.
Those who died of Covid and suffered from long Covid aside, I recall a study/studies suggesting the social impact was quite significant. We have suffered a long term decline in the number of hours per week that we see friends and family, mainly due to a declining birth rate, but this was further exacerbated with Covid and associated lockdowns killing social networks/clubs/community groups, many of which never restarted. So yes, I think the affect on loneliness and mental health was significant.
Yes
Massive national debt for the next generations to deal with just to save the current old people which we have to many of
Thousands of people stuck with long covid and ruined lives, forgotten about with no hope of cure
Thousands of people who have died or suffered since due to delayed operations, cancer diagnosises etc from the backlog and missed appointments during Covid
School kids with reduced development from the most important years of their lives stuck at home
Thousands of families who lost a loved one during Covid due to suicide from isolation
The general decline in service standards everywhere since Covid, goverment lines even stil play “due to Covid 19” we are experiencing higher wait times
Inflation bought on after Covid due to pent up demand, costing people more.
Massive national debt for the next generations to deal with just to save the current old people which we have to many of
Thousands of people stuck with long covid and ruined lives, forgotten about with no hope of cure
Thousands of people who have died or suffered since due to delayed operations, cancer diagnosises etc from the backlog and missed appointments during Covid
School kids with reduced development from the most important years of their lives stuck at home
Thousands of families who lost a loved one during Covid due to suicide from isolation
The general decline in service standards everywhere since Covid, goverment lines even stil play “due to Covid 19” we are experiencing higher wait times
Inflation bought on after Covid due to pent up demand, costing people more.
White-Noise said:
Definitely did.
Then there are the people who worked so hard during the pandemic;
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This was me. I was in the office every day making sure bins got emptied. I had to rewrite all the risk assessments and scheduling. Plus I had to cover another role in the office as that person was shielding and refused to work from home. (Yeah this happened in the council and they didn't get sacked). Lots of unpaid overtime worked Then there are the people who worked so hard during the pandemic;
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I also had to deal with angry members of public who got arsey about bins being missed.
No one clapped on their door step for council workers or bin men.
It got to September and I thought sod it and my partner and I decided to sell up and retire to a cheaper area.
So the government lost five years of work from me and seven from my partner.
98elise said:
How did it destroy the young? For most It was a period of inconvenience, not a war!
It absolutely had a negative effect on my eldest daughter who struggled significantly with the lockdowns and the lack of social interaction and I know other parents who will say the same. Granted it wasn't a war but significant numbers of children who should have been in school at the time of the lockdowns have suffered and continue to do so.
Don't you just feel sorry for the youngster's who may have lost a few months of social development, and have to put up with paying off a massive debt just to save the lives of a few Boomers.
Not at all like the things the boomers had to put up with, paying off a massive debt for a war, to free our country from Nazi invasions. Not to mention all the parents and grandparents who died fighting for freedom. All the years of rationing that followed.
To most people it was time off work to spend with their families. A real big hardship they will surely never recover from.
Not at all like the things the boomers had to put up with, paying off a massive debt for a war, to free our country from Nazi invasions. Not to mention all the parents and grandparents who died fighting for freedom. All the years of rationing that followed.
To most people it was time off work to spend with their families. A real big hardship they will surely never recover from.
98elise said:
Tagteam said:
Speed Badger said:
Obviously previous generations here and inhabitants of other countries have lived through a lot worse, such as war and famine. But despite the 'just pull your socks up and get over it' brigade, of which I probably lean more towards, do you think COVID has had more of an affect on us, our mental (and physical) health than perhaps we might care to admit? Maybe particularly the younger generation.
I read one quote that we protected the old but destroyed the young . I think it’s a good summary. Locking up young people in their youth isn’t good ARHarh said:
Don't you just feel sorry for the youngster's who may have lost a few months of social development, and have to put up with paying off a massive debt just to save the lives of a few Boomers.
Not at all like the things the boomers had to put up with, paying off a massive debt for a war, to free our country from Nazi invasions. Not to mention all the parents and grandparents who died fighting for freedom. All the years of rationing that followed.
To most people it was time off work to spend with their families. A real big hardship they will surely never recover from.
The young will also deal with the cost of working people staying at home. Everything will fall onto them with Covid. They weren't the furlong many who had a long holiday Not at all like the things the boomers had to put up with, paying off a massive debt for a war, to free our country from Nazi invasions. Not to mention all the parents and grandparents who died fighting for freedom. All the years of rationing that followed.
To most people it was time off work to spend with their families. A real big hardship they will surely never recover from.
suffered and impact - yes
destroyed?? like a war would've?
I think some of you need to read up on some WWII history. About 4m children were evacuees, and those that lived through World War II and lost parents or family often faced deep psychological trauma, displacement, and long-term emotional and social challenges that shaped their entire lives!
Covid = horrible
WWII = HORRIBLE
destroyed?? like a war would've?
I think some of you need to read up on some WWII history. About 4m children were evacuees, and those that lived through World War II and lost parents or family often faced deep psychological trauma, displacement, and long-term emotional and social challenges that shaped their entire lives!
Covid = horrible
WWII = HORRIBLE
ikarl said:
suffered and impact - yes
destroyed?? like a war would've?
I think some of you need to read up on some WWII history. About 4m children were evacuees, and those that lived through World War II and lost parents or family often faced deep psychological trauma, displacement, and long-term emotional and social challenges that shaped their entire lives!
Covid = horrible
WWII = HORRIBLE
4 of my granddads brothers never came home from WW11. One of my uncles died at age 3 when a bomb landed on my Grandparents house, My other granddad spent time as a prisoner of war, this did stop him being shot, but it was not nice. Both my grandmothers had to bring up young families on rations alone. My dads sister was evacuated and did not see her Mum for a long time. My dad then was forced to stop his studies and head off for conscription, he was lucky though as conscription was ended 2 days before he was due to leave, and he got to carry on his studies.destroyed?? like a war would've?
I think some of you need to read up on some WWII history. About 4m children were evacuees, and those that lived through World War II and lost parents or family often faced deep psychological trauma, displacement, and long-term emotional and social challenges that shaped their entire lives!
Covid = horrible
WWII = HORRIBLE
But hay thank god they didn't loose a few months of playing with their friends.
Edited by ARHarh on Monday 25th August 15:37
I recently watched one of those time-lapse things on YouTube on World War II, and I don't mean to belittle the suffering in any way, but I was surprised how limited the UK's involvement was compared to what I learnt at school. About 50k civilians and 350k soldiers died apparently. We were not occupied and there basically no boots on the ground 1940 - 1944, so perhaps this is obvious to most, but the way I was taught, I was surprised by this.
Obviously the ww2 numbers for europe and Russia are a completely different level
as for European covid deaths, ( to compare apples to oranges) I've read some reports of 1.5m 'excess' deaths in wider europe. in past times much of these would have been recorded as 'aged' in the death certificate, with the tail of the net effect lost to time.
I suppose a better metric would be excess years lost or whatever the term is
I was speaking to my cardiologist about anti vax stuff, and if anything it's been tamer than expected in the UK. USA seems to be going down a different path. My sister just caught it and spent a week in bed. I've got my letter inviting me to be jabbed for winter and if it saves me a week in bed it's good for me. If I wasn't being booked in automatically I doubt I'd search it out.
Obviously the ww2 numbers for europe and Russia are a completely different level
as for European covid deaths, ( to compare apples to oranges) I've read some reports of 1.5m 'excess' deaths in wider europe. in past times much of these would have been recorded as 'aged' in the death certificate, with the tail of the net effect lost to time.
I suppose a better metric would be excess years lost or whatever the term is
I was speaking to my cardiologist about anti vax stuff, and if anything it's been tamer than expected in the UK. USA seems to be going down a different path. My sister just caught it and spent a week in bed. I've got my letter inviting me to be jabbed for winter and if it saves me a week in bed it's good for me. If I wasn't being booked in automatically I doubt I'd search it out.
Edited by lizardbrain on Monday 25th August 16:06
ARHarh said:
4 of my granddads brothers never came home from WW11. One of my uncles died at age 3 when a bomb landed on my Grandparents house, My other granddad spent time as a prisoner of war, this did stop him being shot, but it was not nice. Both my grandmothers had to bring up young families on rations alone. My dads sister was evacuated and did not see her Mum for a long time. My dad then was forced to stop his studies and head off for conscription, he was lucky though as conscription was ended 2 days before he was due to leave, and he got to carry on his studies.
But hay thank god they didn't loose a few months of playing with their friends.
Your comparison is meaningless. The experience and trauma you descibe would pale in comparison to how people suffered in generations before them. And so on and so on. No one is saying covid was worse than WWII (not WW11 by that way).But hay thank god they didn't loose a few months of playing with their friends.
Edited by ARHarh on Monday 25th August 15:37
Disparaging the entire event as to 'lose (not loose by the way) a few months playing with friends' comes across as moronic. It had a significant social impact on an entire generation of young people.
Simply consider spending your formative years of 17 and 18 being locked at home with your parents. This was the reality for an entire generation.
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