Is Porsche losing it?
Is Porsche losing it?
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Original Poster:

6,456 posts

232 months

Firstly, I love Porsche. I've got a 2026 Cayenne GTS V8 coupe on order which should land in the next two months - cannot wait! I love the 992 and have T or GTS on the wishlist for a few years' time (if ICE is still a thing - which I think it will be).

However, I want to get a second car for my missus and 'below' the 911 and Cayenne, there is nothing factory order that is even slightly interesting:

- 718 Spyder RS - would love one but the price is at 911 levels, plus cannot order as Porsche making way for 718 EVs

- 718 4.0 GTS (or any other variant) - cannot order as Porsche making way for EVs

- Macan GTS - cannot order as Porsche making way for EVs, plus the design is starting to look dated...

- Macan EV - I can just about get on board with a fast EV (Turbo or 4S) as a daily, but cannot get past the depreciation curve of the Taycan. Plus it's not exactly a looker.

- Taycan - see Macan EV depreciation comment above

The word was that Porsche has binned their full electrification by 2030 plan, but the entire lineup of semi-interesting cars (718, Macan) is now unavailable new due to pending EVs. Anecdotally few people want these (based on people I speak to and the number of Porsche EVs I see on the road). A hybrid 718 or Macan would be fun, but that doesn't seem to be on the agenda.

So the 992 remains the beacon of light, the Cayenne GTS is keeping ICE alive in the rest of the range (but probably not for long given the recently announced Cayenne EV), and the every other model is dying under the EV sword.

Picking up used is always an option, but how long until Porsche stops warranty coverage on ICE...

Is this the beginning of the end for Porsche as we know it? I truly hope they backtrack on the this EV launch for 718 but seems unlikely. Gutting!

Augustash

234 posts

78 months

Agree, bought new fully loaded Macan GTS & Cayman 718 GT4 in 2023 and expect they will be my forever cars as we drive very little, travel a lot and they are excellent cars imo and not interested in EV’s / depreciation
Think the last ICE models of both Macan & Caymans will hold good value whilst great fun to own and drive imo

Count897

490 posts

9 months

Nobody wants EVs. This idiotic eco legislation needs to be binned sharpish.

alltalk

178 posts

96 months

Count897 said:
Nobody wants EVs. This idiotic eco legislation needs to be binned sharpish.
What rubbish, I want one, perfect for local miles, not for EVERYONE but right for lots esp if have home charging.

Ernesto

117 posts

189 months

Taycan is a fantastic car. I’m sure so is the Macon EV. Home or work charging. Costs pennies. Fast, comfortable and practical. Just need a second car if you regularly need to drive a long distance.

Most Porsche owners do not concern themselves with forums.

craigjm

19,532 posts

216 months

They are not losing it. They have to make sure they build legally compliant cars and have been responding to the legislation. If there is resistance to the legislation and therefore the cars are not selling you cant blame the player you have to blame the game. Long model cycles mean that none of the manufacturers were going to wait right until the cusp of a ban to move as they need time to ease into the new world so one model cycle prior to being forced was always going to be electric. Takes a long time to get a car to market and in that time there has been an opinion change and wavering from government. st time to be a car manufacturer and I'm sure they wouldn't want to be in this mess. Hopefully they have engineered the new Cayman and Macan that if they need to they can revert to ICE.

Will be interesting to see what the electric Cayman Boxster is like

DMZ

1,823 posts

176 months

Maybe head over to BMW, Merc, or JLR? Plenty of hybrids etc in all shapes and sizes.

Grantstown

1,214 posts

103 months

Maybe they need to splinter the company to avoid the regulation.

I agree that EVs have terrible depreciation. That’s why the way forward is to to let someone else take the hit, then buy. I’m one of those who took the hit having bought one over 4 years ago. It’s a great drive, but it’s in the repair shop all the time for non-EV related repairs (air suspension, chassis tech, child locks, etc). There’s too much tech on these cars. Our current enterprise runabout is a Lexus hybrid. The thing uses so little fuel that I’ve learned how preferable they are to full EV if you need to rely on a car as a daily. On the other hand there are now 2 different drivetrains to fail, which is a scary thought.

My 2017 911 has been reliable for 8 years, until this year where it’s needed a water pump. Not a bad record really. It doesn’t have PADM, PDCC, PTV, 4wd, PDK, adaptive cruise, Chrono, sun roof, so far less to go wrong.

Grantstown

1,214 posts

103 months

Ernesto said:
Taycan is a fantastic car. I’m sure so is the Macon EV. Home or work charging. Costs pennies. Fast, comfortable and practical. Just need a second car if you regularly need to drive a long distance.

Most Porsche owners do not concern themselves with forums.
Your garage is incredible Ernesto, what a fleet of P cars!

MDL111

8,047 posts

193 months

Grantstown said:
Ernesto said:
Taycan is a fantastic car. I’m sure so is the Macon EV. Home or work charging. Costs pennies. Fast, comfortable and practical. Just need a second car if you regularly need to drive a long distance.

Most Porsche owners do not concern themselves with forums.
Your garage is incredible Ernesto, what a fleet of P cars!
I see you bought the Black Snake - did you buy it when it was for sale the last time? I want to say that was shortly pre-Covid, but could have the time wrong. Bet that is a fun car.

Maxym

2,459 posts

252 months

I might say that Porsche have lost it from a business point of view, but in terms of the current range they are making cars 'required of them' by the legislators.

From a personal point of view, 'peak Porsche' was a few years back. I've had a 993, a 997, two 981s, didn't want a 982/718 because I bought a 991.2... and there's nothing that interests me in the current line-up - or future line-up if it includes a 718 EV. 992.1 Turbo/S, hmm maybe... but would that really be a whole lot better than my 991.2 Carrera T? Faster maybe, but for driving pleasure?

Leithen

13,234 posts

283 months

Lost it when they released the 928 924 996 Cayenne Taycan …..

ChrisW.

7,698 posts

271 months

Maybe true Hybrid is the answer ??

I believe that Porsche have the capacity to create something spectacular but they have certainly had a hard time ... some of it self inflicted but nobody would wish to see them fail ...

The awaited solid state batteries may transform the weight / battery capacity / power horizon ??


SV_WDC

989 posts

105 months

22s said:
The word was that Porsche has binned their full electrification by 2030 plan, but the entire lineup of semi-interesting cars (718, Macan) is now unavailable new due to pending EVs.
They haven't binned it. And it was 80% EV by 2030 anyway, not full EV as many claim.

However, as they have commented, EV takeup hasn't been as high as forecast, so they've pushed back their targets. It unfortunately means any cars they've developed (or are in development) with full BEV in mind will need re-engineering to accomodate a combustion engine.

Unless they just reitntroduce the 'old' cars; which seems unlikely.

garypotter

1,922 posts

166 months

Yesterday (14:53)
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Count897 said:
Nobody wants EVs. This idiotic eco legislation needs to be binned sharpish.
Agreed unless they can buy one through the company and save huge amounts on TAX (Public money)

Dr S

5,084 posts

242 months

Yesterday (17:04)
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SV_WDC said:
22s said:
The word was that Porsche has binned their full electrification by 2030 plan, but the entire lineup of semi-interesting cars (718, Macan) is now unavailable new due to pending EVs.
They haven't binned it. And it was 80% EV by 2030 anyway, not full EV as many claim.

However, as they have commented, EV takeup hasn't been as high as forecast, so they've pushed back their targets. It unfortunately means any cars they've developed (or are in development) with full BEV in mind will need re-engineering to accomodate a combustion engine.

Unless they just reitntroduce the 'old' cars; which seems unlikely.
The 80% electrification can be read different ways: One is where the model lines representing 80% of volume are fully electrified. The 911s were always positioned as being petrol for as long as possible.

Ernesto

117 posts

189 months

Yesterday (17:38)
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MDL111 said:
Grantstown said:
Ernesto said:
Taycan is a fantastic car. I’m sure so is the Macon EV. Home or work charging. Costs pennies. Fast, comfortable and practical. Just need a second car if you regularly need to drive a long distance.

Most Porsche owners do not concern themselves with forums.
Your garage is incredible Ernesto, what a fleet of P cars!
I see you bought the Black Snake - did you buy it when it was for sale the last time? I want to say that was shortly pre-Covid, but could have the time wrong. Bet that is a fun car.
I bought the black snake many years ago when cars were relatively affordable….did some track days and hill climbs. Ultimately sold it. Probably another car I should have kept..

MDL111

8,047 posts

193 months

Yesterday (17:46)
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Ernesto said:
I bought the black snake many years ago when cars were relatively affordable….did some track days and hill climbs. Ultimately sold it. Probably another car I should have kept..
Ah I see - I just remember looking at it when I last saw it for sale - was quite a few years ago though. Can’t keep every car unfortunately …

Panamax

6,633 posts

50 months

Yesterday (17:50)
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craigjm said:
Will be interesting to see what the electric Cayman Boxster is like
^^ This. MG Cyberster has made an interesting start and I'll be fascinated to see what Porsche can come up with. Hopefully something no bigger than 981/718.

Panamax

6,633 posts

50 months

Yesterday (17:55)
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ChrisW. said:
Maybe true Hybrid is the answer ??
Corvette went that way with their so called E-ray car. ICE at the back and electric at the front. Now available RHD in UK with 650 bhp for £150k and I imagine it's "quite quick". Whether you actually want one is a different question.