Mrs TF now has an Irish passport?
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Anyone here have a spouse with an EU passport?
My wife has just received hers, eligible as her mum was born on the island of Ireland.
So we are now no longer restricted to the 90 in 180 days shenanigans.
(As I understand it that’s as long as I’m travelling with her)
Not sure it gives us any other benefits.
My wife has just received hers, eligible as her mum was born on the island of Ireland.
So we are now no longer restricted to the 90 in 180 days shenanigans.
(As I understand it that’s as long as I’m travelling with her)
Not sure it gives us any other benefits.
tight fart said:
Anyone here have a spouse with an EU passport?
My wife has just received hers, eligible as her mum was born on the island of Ireland.
So we are now no longer restricted to the 90 in 180 days shenanigans.
(As I understand it that’s as long as I’m travelling with her)
Not sure it gives us any other benefits.
Yes my wife also has a spouse with an Irish passport. My wife has just received hers, eligible as her mum was born on the island of Ireland.
So we are now no longer restricted to the 90 in 180 days shenanigans.
(As I understand it that’s as long as I’m travelling with her)
Not sure it gives us any other benefits.
Some airports allow you to both use the EU channels. Can be a lottery. She will still get her passport stamped and will still need the EU version of an ESTA. Not sure how they would know she is travelling with you so if 90/180 is an issue I would keep your own records.
worsy said:
Yes my wife also has a spouse with an Irish passport.
Some airports allow you to both use the EU channels. Can be a lottery. She will still get her passport stamped and will still need the EU version of an ESTA. Not sure how they would know she is travelling with you so if 90/180 is an issue I would keep your own records.
Think there's some confusion here. She has the Irish passport so no stamp. Some airports allow you to both use the EU channels. Can be a lottery. She will still get her passport stamped and will still need the EU version of an ESTA. Not sure how they would know she is travelling with you so if 90/180 is an issue I would keep your own records.
FWIW I've tried to use the EU channel with my wife (who has an Irish passport) but because mine needs stamping end up in another queue which is often longer.
Bill said:
worsy said:
Yes my wife also has a spouse with an Irish passport.
Some airports allow you to both use the EU channels. Can be a lottery. She will still get her passport stamped and will still need the EU version of an ESTA. Not sure how they would know she is travelling with you so if 90/180 is an issue I would keep your own records.
Think there's some confusion here. She has the Irish passport so no stamp. Some airports allow you to both use the EU channels. Can be a lottery. She will still get her passport stamped and will still need the EU version of an ESTA. Not sure how they would know she is travelling with you so if 90/180 is an issue I would keep your own records.
FWIW I've tried to use the EU channel with my wife (who has an Irish passport) but because mine needs stamping end up in another queue which is often longer.
Hopefully not a thread hi-jack, but I have a question on this.
Now that Mrs TF has an Irish passport I presume that means she is an Irish Citizen and therefore she is no longer a British Citizen - or is dual citizenship allowed?
If she is no longer a British Citizen, does she retain all the rights and privileges of being a British Citizen by virtue of being married to TF?
Now that Mrs TF has an Irish passport I presume that means she is an Irish Citizen and therefore she is no longer a British Citizen - or is dual citizenship allowed?
If she is no longer a British Citizen, does she retain all the rights and privileges of being a British Citizen by virtue of being married to TF?
Watching with interest.
In theory you should be correct insofar as travelling with your wife you should be bestowed the same freedom of travel benefits re the 90 days. However, despite being a member of many forums and groups for expats and the question being asked many times, I am yet to hear of a definitive example of it in practice being challenged/accepted.
Given I had a brush with border force a few years back that was anus twitching, I’d want to be very clear on the position before taking the chance.
In theory you should be correct insofar as travelling with your wife you should be bestowed the same freedom of travel benefits re the 90 days. However, despite being a member of many forums and groups for expats and the question being asked many times, I am yet to hear of a definitive example of it in practice being challenged/accepted.
Given I had a brush with border force a few years back that was anus twitching, I’d want to be very clear on the position before taking the chance.
omniflow said:
Hopefully not a thread hi-jack, but I have a question on this.
Now that Mrs TF has an Irish passport I presume that means she is an Irish Citizen and therefore she is no longer a British Citizen - or is dual citizenship allowed?
If she is no longer a British Citizen, does she retain all the rights and privileges of being a British Citizen by virtue of being married to TF?
Both countries allow dual citizenship so she is a national of both. Some countries don’t allow it (e.g. India)Now that Mrs TF has an Irish passport I presume that means she is an Irish Citizen and therefore she is no longer a British Citizen - or is dual citizenship allowed?
If she is no longer a British Citizen, does she retain all the rights and privileges of being a British Citizen by virtue of being married to TF?
essayer said:
omniflow said:
Hopefully not a thread hi-jack, but I have a question on this.
Now that Mrs TF has an Irish passport I presume that means she is an Irish Citizen and therefore she is no longer a British Citizen - or is dual citizenship allowed?
If she is no longer a British Citizen, does she retain all the rights and privileges of being a British Citizen by virtue of being married to TF?
Both countries allow dual citizenship so she is a national of both. Some countries don’t allow it (e.g. India)Now that Mrs TF has an Irish passport I presume that means she is an Irish Citizen and therefore she is no longer a British Citizen - or is dual citizenship allowed?
If she is no longer a British Citizen, does she retain all the rights and privileges of being a British Citizen by virtue of being married to TF?
I can't remember which way it works - whether it's dual nationality and British citizens, or the other way round.
greygoose said:
Bill said:
worsy said:
Yes my wife also has a spouse with an Irish passport.
Some airports allow you to both use the EU channels. Can be a lottery. She will still get her passport stamped and will still need the EU version of an ESTA. Not sure how they would know she is travelling with you so if 90/180 is an issue I would keep your own records.
Think there's some confusion here. She has the Irish passport so no stamp. Some airports allow you to both use the EU channels. Can be a lottery. She will still get her passport stamped and will still need the EU version of an ESTA. Not sure how they would know she is travelling with you so if 90/180 is an issue I would keep your own records.
FWIW I've tried to use the EU channel with my wife (who has an Irish passport) but because mine needs stamping end up in another queue which is often longer.
The next line mentions "you" so I thought it was the op.tight fart said:
Anyone here have a spouse with an EU passport?
My wife has just received hers, eligible as her mum was born on the island of Ireland.
So we are now no longer restricted to the 90 in 180 days shenanigans.
(As I understand it that’s as long as I’m travelling with her)
Not sure it gives us any other benefits.
Yes, my wife does. You are correct that the 90 day rule no longer applies if you are travelling with her. There is also “discretion” with this. We were in Europe for around 100 days earlier this year. We were travelling to the same destination but travelled separately (me in car, wife and daughter flying). We had messed up our date calculations (long story, explained in another thread.) so were out of UK for more than 90 days in 180. When I was leaving France the border guard informed me that I’d overstayed. When I said my wife had an Irish passport he let me through, but said to always carry proof (photocopy of her passport and marriage certificate). My wife has just received hers, eligible as her mum was born on the island of Ireland.
So we are now no longer restricted to the 90 in 180 days shenanigans.
(As I understand it that’s as long as I’m travelling with her)
Not sure it gives us any other benefits.
You’re meant to have a legal right to use the EU/EEA/CH queue if travelling with your spouse who has an EU passport. Unfortunately there are Border Staff out there who enjoy ignoring such rules/playing god with the tiny bit of power they wield.
Directive 2004/38/EC articles 2,5 & 10 cover it.
My Mum was born in Belfast so I applied, and was issued an Irish passport. My main reason for doing so was that I am a frequent traveller to EU and found myself (as order by passport control in SE) to monitor the days.
Other than the obvious, the benefit for those travelling with me is the queue jumping. I have had to be that 'bore' and point it out to some passport control officers before, but have had no problems passing through with multiple family, and extended family members.
Amsterdam is a riot, but stick to your guns about the freedom of movement right.
Other than the obvious, the benefit for those travelling with me is the queue jumping. I have had to be that 'bore' and point it out to some passport control officers before, but have had no problems passing through with multiple family, and extended family members.
Amsterdam is a riot, but stick to your guns about the freedom of movement right.
ukwill said:
You’re meant to have a legal right to use the EU/EEA/CH queue if travelling with your spouse who has an EU passport. Unfortunately there are Border Staff out there who enjoy ignoring such rules/playing god with the tiny bit of power they wield.
Directive 2004/38/EC articles 2,5 & 10 cover it.
Snapshot it, or print it out. You can come across a bit Alan Partridge, but it works out.Directive 2004/38/EC articles 2,5 & 10 cover it.
tight fart said:
Anyone here have a spouse with an EU passport?
My wife has just received hers, eligible as her mum was born on the island of Ireland.
So we are now no longer restricted to the 90 in 180 days shenanigans.
(As I understand it that’s as long as I’m travelling with her)
Not sure it gives us any other benefits.
Well you now have the right to live and work in any EU country. You will need a visa but that's easy to obtain.My wife has just received hers, eligible as her mum was born on the island of Ireland.
So we are now no longer restricted to the 90 in 180 days shenanigans.
(As I understand it that’s as long as I’m travelling with her)
Not sure it gives us any other benefits.
This will not apply to you since your wife has an Irish passport and you are covered CTA.
However, for any one else who has a partner with an EU passport be careful and check. When travelling in, moving to, an EU country with your partner in any country but your partner's home country. You are covered by EU law, so the 90/180 does not apply and include both marriage and civil partnerships. When your in your partner's country local law applies which may be different.
As part of my move to Romania, my wife country, we where trying to sell our house in the UK so did not start my visa process. I was not worried but I had only looked at EU law. Fortunately, I had to return to the UK, well unfortunately it was to attend a funeral. I had stayed 92 days which broke Romanian law. So I could have been banned from return. Thankfully I was just told not to return for 90 days.
Romania law also only recognises marriages not civil partnerships. No idea on the other countries but worth checking.
I’ll keep that directive to hand as well so thanks.
I didn’t expect much interest in this so pleased it has, I doubt we will get much benefit out of it yet but hopefully we will in the future.
I also didn’t think the post was still here after an email from PH saying it broke rules and was deleted.
I didn’t expect much interest in this so pleased it has, I doubt we will get much benefit out of it yet but hopefully we will in the future.
I also didn’t think the post was still here after an email from PH saying it broke rules and was deleted.
ukwill said:
You’re meant to have a legal right to use the EU/EEA/CH queue if travelling with your spouse who has an EU passport. Unfortunately there are Border Staff out there who enjoy ignoring such rules/playing god with the tiny bit of power they wield.
Directive 2004/38/EC articles 2,5 & 10 cover it.
I'd read this somewhere but when i tried it, i was turned around (haven't tried since) . My wife and daughter both hold Spanish passports but mine is UK. Its a pain having to queue separately. Directive 2004/38/EC articles 2,5 & 10 cover it.
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