None of main childhood vaccine uptake targets reached in Eng

[paulguitar]

https://news.sky.com/story/none-of-main-childhood-...

This is an interesting story. What's causing this, and are we likely to see a return of childhood diseases we thought that we'd eradicated?

[zb]

What's causing this is an upsurge in idiots watching youtube videos and reading ste on facebook, and thinking they know better than folk who have dedicated entire careers to researching and testing this.

Every village used to have their idiot, now the idiots coalesce online into virtual cities, and they shout louder than you.

Edit: and yes, there are a number of examples where low vaccine uptake has lead to a surge in long since virtually eradicated childhood diseases.

Edited by zb on Sunday 31st August 10:47

[Mrr T]

zb said:

What's causing this is an upsurge in idiots watching youtube videos and reading ste on facebook, and thinking they know better than folk who have dedicated entire careers to researching and testing this.

Every village used to have their idiot, now the idiots coalesce online into virtual cities, and they shout louder than you.

You will find a few on PH, visit the covid thread.

[cb31]

More like the government lying about covid vaccines being safe and necessary for children when they patently weren't safe for everyone and definitely not needed. The idiots in charge have burned a lot of trust in government and now our children are going to suffer unfortunately.

[119]

Mrr T said:

zb said:

What's causing this is an upsurge in idiots watching youtube videos and reading ste on facebook, and thinking they know better than folk who have dedicated entire careers to researching and testing this.

Every village used to have their idiot, now the idiots coalesce online into virtual cities, and they shout louder than you.

You will find a few on PH, visit the covid thread.

Agreed to both.

[90CHPAXL]

I’m a little on the fence with this.

I’m very much pro vaccine with the majority of them. Yet flu vaccine and Covid vaccine I just don’t trust.

I haven’t had a single Covid or flu vaccination, and I never will. My partner hasn’t either.

I don’t trust how conveniently and quickly the vaccine came about, and I have seen first hand in a close friend, and through experiences of others, conditions and problems that have occurred coincidentally after a Covid vaccination. One of them severe - seizures frequently, loss of some motor skills.

I’d hope most people can see the benefit of the older more studied vaccines, and make their own decision.

I feel a lot of people these days completely distrust “the system” and the condemnation of everything that happened during the pandemic, and collectively brand all vaccine as wrong.

That is their decision, I suppose.

[ChocolateFrog]

Calling the Covid Jab a vaccine.

If you need 3 of those a year and you can still catch Covid then why bother with a vaccine for anything else.

In a population that's educated to a fairly low standard is it really a surprise.

[Mrr T]

Incoming!!!!

[Hants PHer]

Mrr T said:

zb said:

What's causing this is an upsurge in idiots watching youtube videos and reading ste on facebook, and thinking they know better than folk who have dedicated entire careers to researching and testing this.

Every village used to have their idiot, now the idiots coalesce online into virtual cities, and they shout louder than you.

You will find a few on PH, visit the covid thread.

Fair points from both posters, I think. I recall on the Covid thread there was one chap who insisted that there was no such thing as viruses (James somebody IIRC, he's stopped posting now). I mean,

Now, there may be concerns about mRNA vaccines. But for parents to deny their children very safe vaccines (such as MMR) that could, quite literally, save their child's life is staggering, and I just can't understand it. Perhaps a PH parent who's made such a choice would care to explain their thinking.

[Terminator X]

zb said:

What's causing this is an upsurge in idiots watching youtube videos and reading ste on facebook, and thinking they know better than folk who have dedicated entire careers to researching and testing this.

Every village used to have their idiot, now the idiots coalesce online into virtual cities, and they shout louder than you.

Edit: and yes, there are a number of examples where low vaccine uptake has lead to a surge in long since virtually eradicated childhood diseases.

Edited by zb on Sunday 31st August 10:47

Dr Google, so much better than a GP say with 30 years experience!

This will get worse as AI starts to give advice.

TX.

[croyde]

Wasn't it a doctor that originally poo pooed the MMR vaccine around 20 years ago, that almost immediately brought about a decline in the uptake. Something about autism.

At the time many parents including me got the three separate vaccines privately.

Well we did for my eldest. My middle boy had the MMR and the youngest missed out as I was no longer in the family unit.

I trusted my ex wife to sort it.

Oddly enough my only child that had the MMR is quite autistic.

[M1AGM]

cb31 said:

More like the government lying about covid vaccines being safe and necessary for children when they patently weren't safe for everyone and definitely not needed. The idiots in charge have burned a lot of trust in government and now our children are going to suffer unfortunately.

This is 100% whats happened.

It was predicted that the result of the debacle over the covid jabs would lead to more vaccine hesitancy, and here we are. Another negative legacy of the covid response, again the young are paying for it.

[paulguitar]

M1AGM said:

cb31 said:

More like the government lying about covid vaccines being safe and necessary for children when they patently weren't safe for everyone and definitely not needed. The idiots in charge have burned a lot of trust in government and now our children are going to suffer unfortunately.

This is 100% whats happened.

It was predicted that the result of the debacle over the covid jabs would lead to more vaccine hesitancy, and here we are. Another negative legacy of the covid response, again the young are paying for it.

So really, this is a mix of lack of trust in the (any) government and ignorance/lack of education. Refusing to vaccinate a child against whooping cough because of concerns about an entirely unrelated vaccine is not very intelligent.

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cb31 said:

More like the government lying about covid vaccines being safe and necessary for children when they patently weren't safe for everyone and definitely not needed. The idiots in charge have burned a lot of trust in government and now our children are going to suffer unfortunately.

I don't think that's helped.

We can't expect everyone to be an expert on vaccines, especially when you're then dealing with vaccines for diseases that (currently) they're unlikely to encounter. You're then asking the public to put trust in people telling them what the balance of risk is between the vaccine and the disease.

Some of that trust has been eroded, it will take time to recover. And some people will have always just gone their own way anyway.

[DeadShed]

90CHPAXL said:

I don’t trust how conveniently and quickly the vaccine came about,

Quite simply. Many normal administrative delays were removed. Lots of ones to do with gaps between phases of trials and development didn’t happen, because various committees and organisations held special meetings and paperwork was bumped to the top of the queue. Companies expedited delivery of equipment. Normally it takes years to recruit a few hundred trials volunteers. Covid trials were getting people contacting them before any trial was even announced and recruited tens of thousands in a matter of weeks. No conspiracy, just the simple matter of what can be done when concerted efforts is made. It’s in exactly the same bucket as the moon landings.

ChocolateFrog said:

Calling the Covid Jab a vaccine.

If you need 3 of those a year and you can still catch Covid then why bother with a vaccine for anything else.

In a population that's educated to a fairly low standard is it really a surprise.

It’s quite simple. Viruses evolve. Covid evolves quite quickly, as we saw when academics were publicly tracking them. It’s even faster than flu, and just like flu the vaccine protects most effectively against the strains it is developed for, which is always a best guess.

[Douglas Quaid]

The problem is the pharma companies manipulating the media during covid to make more money has led to people distrusting them.

This isn’t to say that all vaccines are bad or whatever but the Covid jabs being pushed to everyone including babies was unnecessary and has sadly led to some otherwise healthy young people dying or being vaccine injured.

I imagine most people never thought about whether vaccines were good or bad before that and would’ve just gone with the flow if something was recommended.

You also do get the full on anti vax type people who think all of them are bad. They would always exist no matter what, I think a whole new generation of people are now more sceptical though now.

At least some people made a lot of money though.

[ChevronB19]

croyde said:

Wasn't it a doctor that originally poo pooed the MMR vaccine around 20 years ago, that almost immediately brought about a decline in the uptake. Something about autism.

At the time many parents including me got the three separate vaccines privately.

Well we did for my eldest. My middle boy had the MMR and the youngest missed out as I was no longer in the family unit.

I trusted my ex wife to sort it.

Oddly enough my only child that had the MMR is quite autistic.

Yes. He was kicked out of the profession, and now is a ‘professional’ anti-vaxxer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

[croyde]

ChevronB19 said:

croyde said:

Wasn't it a doctor that originally poo pooed the MMR vaccine around 20 years ago, that almost immediately brought about a decline in the uptake. Something about autism.

At the time many parents including me got the three separate vaccines privately.

Well we did for my eldest. My middle boy had the MMR and the youngest missed out as I was no longer in the family unit.

I trusted my ex wife to sort it.

Oddly enough my only child that had the MMR is quite autistic.

Yes. He was kicked out of the profession, and now is a ‘professional’ anti-vaxxer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

That's him, I remember that he was eventually shouted down and booted out.

I thought that he would have hid under a rock somewhere.

[BlackTails]

ChevronB19 said:

Yes. He was kicked out of the profession, and now is a ‘professional’ anti-vaxxer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

But tangential, but the single most eye catching statement on that page is that he was Elle Macpherson’s partner from 2017-2019.

But looking into it, it seems that she’s gone bonkers too.

[grumbledoak]

It was the lies and contradictions of the COVID response that (re) opened people's eyes to the weakness of the vaccine manufacturer's claims. The fact used to be taught in medical school that the vaccines were late on the scene and claiming way more credit than they could possibly deserve.

Most of the childhood diseases were basically eradicated before their respective vaccines arrived -


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1560955/measle...


So I'm not that worried. Not unless we turn our streets back into open sewers or start piping our sewage back into the drinking water.