London Tube Strike
Discussion
My wife works in third sector hospitality and tourism, and inn a lot of holiday groups on Fb etc, and the feeling of hatred, anger and upset at holidays in London that have been booked for months in advance being shafted due to this is quite something.
My wife is quite left and very pro labour and even she is a bit put off by it all.
My wife is quite left and very pro labour and even she is a bit put off by it all.
bad company said:
I’m surprised there’s not a thread running but I can’t see it so :-
As I see it London’s ground to a halt because the already well paid drivers with excellent pensions want even more money to work less hours.
Most drivers are ASLEF and have turned up for work.As I see it London’s ground to a halt because the already well paid drivers with excellent pensions want even more money to work less hours.
Power and control room staff haven't and so nothing can run without them.
I heard a RMT spokesman - could have been Eddie Dempsey, their leader - on LBC the other day talking to Nick Ferrari. I mean, talk about old school trade unionism. Reduced hours, more pay and huge discounts on rail travel: up the workers, brother! Dempsey (if 'twas him) literally said that shift working was stressful for staff. Yeah, must be tough being the only workers in the UK that work shifts. Hold on..........
Apparently, tube train drivers have rejected a salary offer of £70,000 - and that's before overtime and shift payments is included.
Still, when the message from government is, in effect "The more damaging your strike action is, the more likely we are to meet your demands", then what else should we expect from the unions? Let's see how Heidi Alexander, Transport Secretary, handles this. I'm not optimistic.
Apparently, tube train drivers have rejected a salary offer of £70,000 - and that's before overtime and shift payments is included.
Still, when the message from government is, in effect "The more damaging your strike action is, the more likely we are to meet your demands", then what else should we expect from the unions? Let's see how Heidi Alexander, Transport Secretary, handles this. I'm not optimistic.
Hants PHer said:
I heard a RMT spokesman - could have been Eddie Dempsey, their leader - on LBC the other day talking to Nick Ferrari. I mean, talk about old school trade unionism. Reduced hours, more pay and huge discounts on rail travel: up the workers, brother! Dempsey (if 'twas him) literally said that shift working was stressful for staff. Yeah, must be tough being the only workers in the UK that work shifts. Hold on..........
Apparently, tube train drivers have rejected a salary offer of £70,000 - and that's before overtime and shift payments is included.
Still, when the message from government is, in effect "The more damaging your strike action is, the more likely we are to meet your demands", then what else should we expect from the unions? Let's see how Heidi Alexander, Transport Secretary, handles this. I'm not optimistic.
Plus a pension benefit worth an additional 30% on top.Apparently, tube train drivers have rejected a salary offer of £70,000 - and that's before overtime and shift payments is included.
Still, when the message from government is, in effect "The more damaging your strike action is, the more likely we are to meet your demands", then what else should we expect from the unions? Let's see how Heidi Alexander, Transport Secretary, handles this. I'm not optimistic.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advi...
"The union wants a four-day, 32-hour working week."
"Claire Mann, TfL's chief operating officer, said a reduction in the contractual 35-hour working week would be “neither practical nor affordable”."
I'm sorry, is 35 hours per week excessive? Christ...
"The union wants a four-day, 32-hour working week."
"Claire Mann, TfL's chief operating officer, said a reduction in the contractual 35-hour working week would be “neither practical nor affordable”."
I'm sorry, is 35 hours per week excessive? Christ...
bad company said:
I’m surprised there’s not a thread running but I can’t see it so :-
As I see it London’s ground to a halt because the already well paid drivers with excellent pensions want even more money to work less hours.
I don’t think it’s the drivers this time. ASLEF accepted a 4 day week on pretty much the same hours already (if anything, LUL seem to be the winner on that deal, as things like training days appear to be unpaid time, so it balances out the slight reduction in the working week), it’s the RMT that appear to want it cut to 32 hours with no loss of pay, plus the same National Rail perks as British Rail staff from 30 years ago.As I see it London’s ground to a halt because the already well paid drivers with excellent pensions want even more money to work less hours.
I was somewhat surprised to read that LUL will apparently fund 75% of National Rail commuting costs for drivers (or maybe all staff) that live outside of London. Are they really having that much difficulty recruiting with the rates they’re offering?
Great day to work from garden and getting the detailer round to clean the wagon. There was a bus strike last week which was worse (for me anyway, as my mum uses the bus). Just got reamed on a social Whatsapp group by lefties so i collated some of the info on here:-
"Apparently, tube train drivers have rejected a salary offer of £70,000 - and that's before overtime and shift payments is included. Plus a pension benefit worth an additional 30% on top. That's more than most of you lot on here but keep supporting them lol"
Over and out.
"Apparently, tube train drivers have rejected a salary offer of £70,000 - and that's before overtime and shift payments is included. Plus a pension benefit worth an additional 30% on top. That's more than most of you lot on here but keep supporting them lol"
Over and out.
Edited by fido on Monday 8th September 13:31
LeighW said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advi...
"The union wants a four-day, 32-hour working week."
"Claire Mann, TfL's chief operating officer, said a reduction in the contractual 35-hour working week would be “neither practical nor affordable”."
I'm sorry, is 35 hours per week excessive? Christ...
It is if your actual plan is 4 days normal plus 1 day O/T every week… The RMT once called a strike for signallers in the Stirling area because Network Rail wanted 4x9 hours a week and the RMT wanted 3x12… They claimed 12 hours a day would be less fatigue. I’m not sure about you, but I tend to be more tired after 12 hours at work than I am after 9."The union wants a four-day, 32-hour working week."
"Claire Mann, TfL's chief operating officer, said a reduction in the contractual 35-hour working week would be “neither practical nor affordable”."
I'm sorry, is 35 hours per week excessive? Christ...
ive been through many of these strikes over the years. seems to be a tradition now. bit of a pain but there usually alternative transport. even sometimes the company Im working for paying for parking and picking up a couple of colleagues on the way. fortunately im retired now.
tube drivers? just sack them all immediately and tell them they can get a job at another Tube company in London if they dont like their current contract. .. oh, hang on a minute..
languagetimothy said:
ive been through many of these strikes over the years. seems to be a tradition now. bit of a pain but there usually alternative transport. even sometimes the company Im working for paying for parking and picking up a couple of colleagues on the way. fortunately im retired now.
tube drivers? just sack them all immediately and tell them they can get a job at another Tube company in London if they dont like their current contract. .. oh, hang on a minute..
Its a double edged sword though as tube drivers? just sack them all immediately and tell them they can get a job at another Tube company in London if they dont like their current contract. .. oh, hang on a minute..
I) they tube needs drivers to make it work, and they can hardly expect commuters to twiddle their thumbs for however long it takes to recruit and train new drivers
ii) these new drivers could do exactly the same
Note: someone above said its not drivers this time, but control room staff. The above 2 points apply just as equally to them though .
What conclusion can you draw from this?
A- be a tube driver
B- don't do crappy shift work if you're not a tube driver
Someone will be along in a minute to tell me I'm wrong but driving a tube train appears to be a lot easier and less skilful than driving other forms of transport,like buses for instance.Their union must be great negotiators.
Apparently the cost of bringing in driverless trains is prohibitive
Apparently the cost of bringing in driverless trains is prohibitive
Bluevanman said:
Someone will be along in a minute to tell me I'm wrong but driving a tube train appears to be a lot easier and less skilful than driving other forms of transport,like buses for instance.Their union must be great negotiators.
Apparently the cost of bringing in driverless trains is prohibitive
What about control room staff, power supply staff, fleet maintenance, etc, etc?Apparently the cost of bringing in driverless trains is prohibitive
How will automation stop them going on strike bringing the service to a halt?
You could have full automation today and they'd still be no service due to who's out today.
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