RE: Is JLR in the fight of its life?
RE: Is JLR in the fight of its life?
Monday 15th September

Is JLR in the fight of its life?

It's hard to say. But the short-term repercussions of its recent cyber attack are certainly alarming


Anyone keeping track of the ongoing saga of JLR’s recent cyber attack would be hard pushed not to think the situation is going from bad to worse. Or, as seems likely, the situation probably qualified as the worst possible case scenario from day one, and now we’re simply witnessing the ripples as they radiate out from its two-week-old centre. We cannot be sure because JLR, understandably, and much like the similarly afflicted Marks & Spencer before it, will not discuss the full extent of the damage rendered to its systems, nor commit to a timeline for restoring them. But the scale of the aftermath is becoming abundantly clear. 

On the one hand, this stems merely from being forced to stop. Which modern car factories and their intricate supply chains are not equipped to do without severe and almost immediate repercussions. JLR’s production lines - all of them, we’re told - have ceased to function. This is not merely inconvenient and troubling for its workers and financially damaging for the manufacturer itself, but potentially ruinous for its many suppliers. Unite, the UK’s automotive union, says it has already had reports of workers being laid off as a direct result of JLR’s shutdown. On Friday, it urged the government to “act fast and introduce a furlough scheme to ensure that vital jobs and skills are not lost while JLR and its supply chain get back on their feet”. 

The implications do not stop there. The jobs of staff directly employed by JLR are not currently at risk, but the wider strain on the company is implicit in the size of the numbers being bandied about. Some have optimistically suggested that paralysis is already costing JLR £5m a day. Should the stoppage last until November— a timeframe suggested by an unidentified Telegraph source - the newspaper calculates that almost 50,000 cars would go unmade. Dealers have reportedly resorted to pen and paper to register sales, but the impact is also affecting existing customers as servicing and repairs are delayed by a lack of spare parts - or else the inability to order them. The consequences of a disrupted supply chain, as former Aston Martin boss Andy Palmer noted last week, can have “many unexpected consequences”. 

All this with precious little sign of a light at the end of the tunnel. As you might expect, JLR’s most recent official statement confirmed that it was ‘working around the clock’ to resolve the problem, while also being forced to admit that the personal data of some customers had been compromised. In the meantime, it has reportedly denied telling suppliers that it was targeting a mooted restart in November, yet is unwilling (or unable) to offer an alternative. Much, of course, will depend on the type and severity of the compromise. A company of JLR’s size and importance is certainly the recipient of direct support from the National Cyber Security Centre, and built-in disaster recovery ought to have afforded it some protection— but the same hacking group that breached M&S has already boasted publicly about using a similar flaw in third-party software to gain access to JLR’s internal systems. 

Understanding the means of entry is crucial because no restart can credibly occur without the original backdoor being safely closed— otherwise, it would likely be exploited again to the same ends. Even then, JLR faces the enormously complicated job of reintegrating people (and the permissions and credentials they depend upon) with its reassembled software infrastructure. For a company as inherently complex as a large-scale global carmaker, dependent not just on thousands of employees but numerous suppliers and fabricators too, the job of ‘rebuilding’ is fraught with challenges. By way of comparison, it took M&S around three months to fully resume its click-and-collect service. In that time, £1 billion had been wiped from its market value. 

If JLR is unlikely to improve upon the time taken to get to that point, it can at least take heart from M&S’s direction of travel. Before its own cyber attack, the retailer was credited with transforming itself from a tired if well-respected institution into a growing business again, thanks to numerous changes made to how it operated and the product lines it sold. This strategy has not faltered in the wake of its attack; its losses at least partially recouped through insurance claims. JLR, newly furnished with its holistic vision of ‘modern luxury’, does not want for cars that people wish to buy, nor the aspirational image required to make them pay over the odds. And while it faced numerous, well-publicised hurdles prior to August 31st, none seemed so troubling as to be insurmountable. Indeed, finding the right kind of solution to many of them (electrification included) was vital to making the firm a more prosperous and ultimately successful place to work. With any luck - and some will surely be required along the way - JLR might eventually look back at the events of this summer in the same light. 


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SpadeBrigade

Original Poster:

781 posts

156 months

It’s extremely worrying how vulnerable we are in every aspect of society. The fragility of our entire society is highlighted by the fact that a relatively small group of people can shut down food getting on to shelves and seemingly shut down huge industries which hundreds of thousands are reliant on. Just really hope they can come back around from this, the damage to the smaller suppliers is going to be huge and when those trades are lost they are often lost for good.

Wouldn’t surprise me if the groups were being backed / financed by hostile states.

A really good way to grow Chinese car sales is to shut down domestic production…

TA14

13,200 posts

275 months

JLR? I thought that Jaguar were already dead frown

norscot

125 posts

191 months

Maybe they should have paid the ransom, then let the authorities worry about the perpetrators. This has got to be a threat to their very existence, not to mention the impact on owners of their vehicles.

When companies like M&S and JLR are brought to their knees like this, it goes beyond simple fraud and crime to almost an attack on the entire UK. Maybe it's time to inflict some physical pain on the attackers, if they can be found..


williamp

19,907 posts

290 months

No.

Jaguar, perhaps. Sadly. But the company is in rude health, despite motoring writers saying otherwise.

Profit.

Profit AFTER TAX was £2.6 BILLION. A 15% increase

£7m profit per day. Every day of the year.

V12GT

534 posts

107 months

I've seen reports that this is a bunch of kids doing it (& M&S) for kudos on the dark web. They might have been encouraged by people sympathetic to a hostile state, but I'm not sure it's that organised.

I do agree that you can stop a major organisation by just one person clicking on an email when they shouldn't - that's quite a sobering thought.

motco

16,902 posts

263 months

TA14 said:
JLR? I thought that Jaguar were already dead frown
I wondered whether they had driven the spike through the hull with their rebrand a few months ago. It's a tragic loss if that's the case.

Panamax

6,834 posts

51 months

williamp said:
No.
Jaguar, perhaps.
So no, but yes. Sounds like Vicky Pollard.

williamp said:
But the company is in rude health, despite motoring writers saying otherwise.
Profit AFTER TAX was £2.6 BILLION. A 15% increase
£7m profit per day. Every day of the year.
Unfortunately the tricky reality is that all those figures are in the past tense. Note the word WAS.

It used to be said that a successful company would have a solid "home" market for its bread and butter with exports being jam on the top. Companies like JLR have played the game the opposite way around - totally reliant on exports. Half a sniff of trouble from those export markets and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. Add to that Rachel Reeves' increase of "employment tax" and it just gets even worse.

DaveyBoyWonder

3,272 posts

191 months

norscot said:
Maybe they should have paid the ransom, then let the authorities worry about the perpetrators. This has got to be a threat to their very existence, not to mention the impact on owners of their vehicles.

When companies like M&S and JLR are brought to their knees like this, it goes beyond simple fraud and crime to almost an attack on the entire UK. Maybe it's time to inflict some physical pain on the attackers, if they can be found..
I don't think they admitted it but M&S apparently paid a ransom when they were hit. A parliamentary committee were told either them or Coop had paid one - M&S skirted the question, Coop answered that they'd never had contact with the hackers and no ransom had been discussed or paid.

pb8g09

2,840 posts

86 months

Yesterday (06:54)
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I’ve worked for several blue chip companies where CFOs and CEOs talk a good game about wanting to be tight on cyber security, but then as soon as the CISO points out the cost of doing so, they skimp and put it off. If they were really doing their jobs probably many of these attacks wouldn’t be so successful.

Blue62

9,885 posts

169 months

Yesterday (06:59)
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It’s pretty serious, I know a couple of their suppliers well and the stack has shut down operations and has now filtered into their supply chain. An awful lot of businesses affected now and very worrying that companies are so vulnerable.

anyoldcardave

911 posts

84 months

Yesterday (07:05)
quotequote all
norscot said:
Maybe they should have paid the ransom, then let the authorities worry about the perpetrators. This has got to be a threat to their very existence, not to mention the impact on owners of their vehicles.

When companies like M&S and JLR are brought to their knees like this, it goes beyond simple fraud and crime to almost an attack on the entire UK. Maybe it's time to inflict some physical pain on the attackers, if they can be found.
Authorities? Where is the funding for this coming from ? They cannot catch a cold lol.

Physical pain? Smacking your kids bum can put you in the judicial system, adding to the long court waiting lists, and someone else getting early release to put you in.

With pretty much a generation of youth lost to social media and not the workforce, the massive rise in personal online scamming, these digital attacks, big business telling us we need to stay indoors and pay for convenience to our door and the Chinese taking over the Automotive market , which they can probably switch off and block our roads at will lol, being cynical.

Anyone else think it is destroying society as most of us of a certain age know it? Helped by a massive rise in the use of the drugs the authorities have gone soft on and big bottles of gas and balloons , the country is skint and fooked.

Spiros115

395 posts

67 months

Yesterday (07:08)
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SpadeBrigade said:
It s extremely worrying how vulnerable we are in every aspect of society. The fragility of our entire society is highlighted by the fact that a relatively small group of people can shut down food getting on to shelves and seemingly shut down huge industries which hundreds of thousands are reliant on. Just really hope they can come back around from this, the damage to the smaller suppliers is going to be huge and when those trades are lost they are often lost for good.

Wouldn t surprise me if the groups were being backed / financed by hostile states.

A really good way to grow Chinese car sales is to shut down domestic production
What evidence do you have to start peddling rubbish about this being China?! Chinese car sales are flying, their battery tech is set to be a dominant force in the automotive industry for decades to come, why on earth would they be bothered about taking down a British luxury car maker?

wistec1

649 posts

58 months

Yesterday (07:10)
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The answer to the headline would appear to be:

YES

The situation is critical and the implications are far reaching.

SJfW

211 posts

100 months

Yesterday (07:24)
quotequote all
Panamax said:
williamp said:
But the company is in rude health, despite motoring writers saying otherwise.
Profit AFTER TAX was £2.6 BILLION. A 15% increase
£7m profit per day. Every day of the year.
Unfortunately the tricky reality is that all those figures are in the past tense. Note the word WAS.

It used to be said that a successful company would have a solid "home" market for its bread and butter with exports being jam on the top. Companies like JLR have played the game the opposite way around - totally reliant on exports. Half a sniff of trouble from those export markets and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. Add to that Rachel Reeves' increase of "employment tax" and it just gets even worse.
Very much this. Global economic slow down, Trump tariffs, Rachel from Accounts, its all building in to quite a storm.

Twinair

907 posts

159 months

Yesterday (07:26)
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Our Disco was in for service, ‘no part available’ (2 weeks ago..) not unusual versus other visits, that’s just JLR, I am a 15 year multi vehicle owner btw - so in some respects - more fool me!

They could have protected themselves more, as anyone knows who’s been in a ‘modern’ company - risk registers abound and are managed by well paid white collar workers. This will have been risk NUMBER 1 - and all the execs would have convinced themselves that they were ‘completely safe’… turns out that the lack of will to deal with the REAL risks to the business are oh so easily powerpointed away…

So talk of ‘lost money’ is only in the context of money they should have spent before - but chose not to - and decided to have their profits: bigger and earlier, so now, the inevitable will happen: Costs cut, workers impacted etc, I expect the execs will get a bonus for how well they handled the situation their leadership created in the next bonus cycle…

In a minute we will be giving them a bail out - just like the banks (remember that debacle? Now you get asked where your £250 cash deposit came from as a result of that episode) & covid self inflicted financial harms, nothing new in this story, nothing at all…

Ry.Clarke

349 posts

43 months

Yesterday (07:27)
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It’s been propped up by Range Rovers for as long as I can remember, probably always will be.

They need an engine partner, all of theirs of recent times have been absolutely st.

fantheman80

2,106 posts

66 months

Yesterday (07:41)
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norscot said:
Maybe they should have paid the ransom,
Do that and its open season, they will just keep coming back when the need money to go and see the latest minecraft movie or Fortnite upgrade pack

molineux1980

1,232 posts

236 months

Yesterday (07:48)
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I work for a tier 3 supplier, presswork and small assemblies (Engine mounts, dashboard mounts etc) and as it stands, it hasn't hit us yet.

I am very suprised, we tend to drop onto short time working fairly regularly, dictacted by the markets and global events. Earlier in the year with Trumps tarrifs we dropped onto a 4 day week, and we had the last week in July and first week in August as unpaid shutdown due to the market being slow.

I am expecting similar in the coming weeks.

dxg

9,637 posts

277 months

Yesterday (07:50)
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It's the impact on the local supply chain that concerns me.

If JLR can't pay them and enough of them go to the wall while this just sorted out, will there be a viable supply base to support a restarting of production?

I was reading about this issue and it is that - rather than the JLR hit directly - that made me wonder if there is a hostile power behind all this. After all, it is severely testing the resilience of what is left of the UK's industrial capacity.

chickensoup

45 posts

29 months

Yesterday (07:56)
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Something ironic about the company with shoddy vehicle security (try insuring a range rover in a dodgy postcode) had an issue with software security