RE: Sublime Lancia Thema 8.32 for sale
RE: Sublime Lancia Thema 8.32 for sale
Tuesday 16th September

Sublime Lancia Thema 8.32 for sale 

If we all agree that manual Ferrari V8s are cool, manual Ferrari V8s in Lancia four-doors are off the charts... 


Let’s hope that, one day, there’s a documentary all about Lancia in the '80s. It would make for incredible viewing. In that decade, it was the last manufacturer to win a WRC title with a rear-wheel drive car, achieved great success in both Group B and Group A rallying, and dabbled in Group C sportscar racing with the LC2 - all while creating a weird and wonderful road car range, and being part of the corporate basket case that was Fiat. 

Yet none of that was as bold, surely, as putting a Ferrari V8 in the Thema. Yes, it’s a car that’s been discussed at length before, and, no, they aren’t getting cheaper, but as the 40th anniversary of the Thema 8.32 approaches its creation looks crazier than ever. Crazy brilliant, for sure, but crazy nonetheless. Not least because the Type Four gang of luxury front-drivers was a fairly tame bunch. The Saab 9000, Fiat Croma, Alfa Romeo 164 and Alfa Romeo 164, despite some cool engines, were not really emotional, engaging executive cars. They were to be solid, stoic saloons and hatches for getting the German-rivalling job done. 

Then there was the 8.32. Because naturally Lancia found a way to get the 308 GTB’s engine (albeit a cross-plane crank version) ahead of the passenger compartment in its front-wheel drive saloon. The whole project was a fascinating mismatch of ideas. Here was a car offered, on the whole, with four-cylinder power; the Thema launched with a 2.8 V6 also, but it was just 150hp strong. Adding a V8 flagship must have looked as ambitious as when BMW made a V10 M5 two decades later. The Thema wasn’t an enormously luxurious machine, either, yet the 8.32 gained the option of full Poltrona Frau leather, transforming the interior. 

But thanks to the engine, making peak power at 6,750rpm and mated to a manual gearbox, the Thema wasn’t really a true luxury four-door anyway. It was a truly bizarre, beguiling car, one that only Lancia could have made. And which is now dearly loved by those who know for the sheer silliness of it all. 

Precious few sold in period, especially here, because it cost £40k and was left-hand drive. Back then, an E28 M5 was much more powerful, rear-wheel and right-hand drive, as well as cheaper, which must have been pretty persuasive. But someone in Munich of all places wasn’t won over by the BMW, and instead plumped for a Reflex Green Thema with the Poltrona Frau leather in dark tan. An inspired choice. Note this is a Series 1 Thema, too, which proudly displayed its power source via a boot badge; the Series 2 did away with it. 

Since first registration, it’s covered little more than 60,000 miles, and looks to be in exquisite shape. It’s not clear when the Thema came to the UK, but there’s a wealth of history with it, and a cambelt change last year. Which is going to save another owner a huge headache. Belts on an 80’s Ferrari V8 surely aren’t much easier even if they aren’t actually in a Ferrari. The 8.32 is for sale at £35k, or a little more than a Series 2 we featured in 2023 with a few more miles. So it doesn’t seem like values are skyrocketing. For a car to complete the Lancia collection, or a family-friendly way into a classic Ferrari V8, the weird and wonderful Thema continues to charm.


See the original advert

Author
Discussion

Simon Lee 100

Original Poster:

23 posts

125 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
What a fantastic interior. You’ll need to be brave to buy an Italian car that’s almost 40 years old.

GeniusOfLove

4,008 posts

29 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Cooler than a polar bear's nose that is.

Very strong contender for coolest car of the decade in the saloon car category in fact. Fabulous.

supacool1

715 posts

196 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
That seems like a massive bargain! And what a cool thing.

RSTurboPaul

12,229 posts

275 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
These are awesome but the potential bork factor and parts availability issues must be on another level.

TIGA84

5,434 posts

248 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Didn't Neil Clifford on Chris Harris podcast say he used to have a blue one? Can't be many, I've not seen one that isn't black or that maroon colour.

Looks fantastic.

speciald

111 posts

188 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
20 years ago I used to get a lift to work with a chap who owned a Thema Turbo. I loved it.

Would love to try one of these.

Hairymonster

1,639 posts

122 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
I remember reading about someone driving from Johnnesburg to Cape Town in one - about 900 miles. There were warning lights a-plenty but I think they made it.

I think the 2.0 litre turbo model was actually quicker than the Fezza-engined model.

GeniusOfLove

4,008 posts

29 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
RSTurboPaul said:
These are awesome but the potential bork factor and parts availability issues must be on another level.
I reckon this has less catastrophic bork risk, will be easier to work on, and far more rewarding to own than some 12 year old modern turd with a turbocharged tiny engine and a wet timing belt.

I've got no argument about parts availability though, try as I might to make this car look sensible hehe

Dapster

8,303 posts

197 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
The Article said:
...Alfa Romeo 164...despite some cool engines, were not really emotional, engaging executive cars
Hardly. The 3.0 V6 was the definitive emotionally engaging antithesis of the cool Germans.

Always loved the 8.32 - I have a thick, glossy brochure in Italian in the loft somewhere. Truth was that they weren't that good to drive - unruly front wheel drive chassis and not enough poke given the promise of a Ferrari V8. M5 and 500E were far better cars but what a choice for the 90's powerfully built director to have!

tuono

48 posts

211 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
My uncle had one, sweet memory of many fast trips (we're not allowed to race on public roads...) on the Genova-Serravalle motorway, Italy's own 'better than the ring' road, IMO. We could hardly keep up with the Uno Turbos on the twisty bits (see other comments, yes it wasn't very agile and had a lot of torque steer). However, once we hit the flats towards Milano only my other uncle with a 930 turbo could match. Average speed cameras cover that road now with ridiculous limits, what a pity.

Edited by tuono on Tuesday 16th September 12:09

RandomCarChat

1,035 posts

64 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Wonderful, worth the price just for the attention to detail in the interior.

Fantomas

58 posts

64 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Wish I bought the one near me donkeys years ago when they were cheap… massive regret

JJJ.

3,186 posts

32 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
I'd have one and park it next to my imaginary SM, right behind the W116 450SEL 6.9 and the 928S. smile

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,446 posts

115 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Very cool car though not necessarily a very good car. The one previously mentioned was far better value being a gen 2 and having had an expensive engine rebuild. Full kudos though to anyone who takes the plunge....

evil.edna

301 posts

87 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
When these were first released, the joke was that 8.32 was the life expectancy of the front tyres in minutes and seconds. Of course, this isn't true, for a number of reasons.... mostly because it had a detuned version of an engine which never made as much torque/power as claimed, even in its "unbridled" Ferrari application.

I still like it though. I think it's fab in the same way a Fiat Dino is fab.

Turbobanana

7,414 posts

218 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
PH School of Proof Reading said:
The Saab 9000, Fiat Croma, Alfa Romeo 164 and Alfa Romeo 164
rolleyes

Love a Thema: classy, elegant things. I'd imagine the parts supply issues people are mentioning probably aren't as bad as you'd think, albeit you'd probably need to order a lot from abroad.

Simon Lee 100 said:
What a fantastic interior. You'll need to be brave to buy an Italian car that's almost 40 years old.
I bought a 50 year old one earlier in the year. Does that make me really brave or just plain silly? smile


cpeaky555

3 posts

36 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
No mention of the pop-up rear spoiler? Surely one of the coolest features of an already cool car...

Hackney

7,289 posts

225 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
I remember seeing this with my dad at the motor show in the year it launched.

Alfa had a V6 engine in their stand alongside the 164. Beautiful.

The Thema became a bit of a dream car for both of us. If I had the money I’d buy this in a heartbeat.

JJJ.

3,186 posts

32 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
cpeaky555 said:
No mention of the pop-up rear spoiler? Surely one of the coolest features of an already cool car...
We take so much for granted nowadays, I think I bought a Corrado because of the rear spolier!

fantheman80

2,110 posts

66 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
cpeaky555 said:
No mention of the pop-up rear spoiler? Surely one of the coolest features of an already cool car...
Agreed, its like mentioning an NSX and not a Gucci loafer driven by you know who

Achingly cool, and that one looks spotless