Smart front door
Discussion
Hello. I want a smart front door to save hassle. We presently have a front door with a night latch and then top and bottom deadbolts.
I wish to maintain having more than one lock, so am guessing I either need a smart lock that can simultaneously control 2 other locks so that when I unlock the main o e in the middle the other 2 unlock. If such a product exists which I couldn’t see. But it is appealing to not throw away a perfectly good door. I’m
Or more likely, replace the existing oak door with a new composite multipoint locking one with just one smart lock on.
Does anyone have a steer on this please?
Thanks
I wish to maintain having more than one lock, so am guessing I either need a smart lock that can simultaneously control 2 other locks so that when I unlock the main o e in the middle the other 2 unlock. If such a product exists which I couldn’t see. But it is appealing to not throw away a perfectly good door. I’m
Or more likely, replace the existing oak door with a new composite multipoint locking one with just one smart lock on.
Does anyone have a steer on this please?
Thanks
What exactly is the use case you re trying to solve for? Why do you want multiple locks?
There are loads of ways to make a door smart in some way. For example, we had one rigged with a winkhaus AV2E mechanism + Paxton + biometric reader. It auto locks when slammed shut, wave hand at sensor inside and it opens, fingerprint to get back in. It works so well that I don t even know where my keys are! (That is an overkill solution)
You could probably get a precision joinery outfit to fit the same to s wooden door (we recently had one replaced and I was surprised to see that it had multipoint locking).
There are loads of ways to make a door smart in some way. For example, we had one rigged with a winkhaus AV2E mechanism + Paxton + biometric reader. It auto locks when slammed shut, wave hand at sensor inside and it opens, fingerprint to get back in. It works so well that I don t even know where my keys are! (That is an overkill solution)
You could probably get a precision joinery outfit to fit the same to s wooden door (we recently had one replaced and I was surprised to see that it had multipoint locking).
Hello, I want to be able to have the door nice and secure, but without needing to find and use keys in 3 locks every time we go in or out it gets tedious especially when you go out and lock up then realise you’ve left something! Hence the question about a multipoint door or the ability to operate more than 1 lock at a time
jakesmith said:
Hello, I want to be able to have the door nice and secure, but without needing to find and use keys in 3 locks every time we go in or out it gets tedious especially when you go out and lock up then realise you ve left something! Hence the question about a multipoint door or the ability to operate more than 1 lock at a time
That’s exactly what we wanted and ours delivers. There are loads of ways to do it now (ours was installed 10 years ago and I effectively had to sort each element separately and tell each supplier that it was on me if it didn’t work).
For example: we have a code/fob operated “daytime” Yale on our boot room + larger locks for when out/at night.
Next step up is a corporate style electrically actuated latch mechanism built into the door/frame, sort of thing that is on offices/flats all over the country. Integrated and retrofit (E.g. https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/CCTV_New_I...
Then you get to the more secure ones like the winkhaus I mentioned that drives hook bolts into the frame. I’ve sometimes thought that it’d be interesting to see how that door (metal) with those locks would stand up to the “big red key”.
Then you have to work out how to activate it. There’s this sort of stuff (just an example, no experience) https://www.clockrite.co.uk/door-access-control/ac... : the external unit on ours looks similar but wasn’t able to directly interface to the door, hence the (overkill but only real option at the time) Paxton system on ours that it links to, the latter triggering the actual lock. Basically if you want it more complex than an off the shelf thing to drive a euro-cylinder or Yale, you’re likely to end up talking to people who do more corporate stuff.
Best thing to do is probably to speak to local access control company and see what they’d recommend as you can quickly go down the rabbit hole with this sort of stuff and then, from experience, it becomes a PITA getting people to actually install it if they’ve never done it before.
LooneyTunes said:
That s exactly what we wanted and ours delivers.
There are loads of ways to do it now (ours was installed 10 years ago and I effectively had to sort each element separately and tell each supplier that it was on me if it didn t work).
For example: we have a code/fob operated daytime Yale on our boot room + larger locks for when out/at night.
Next step up is a corporate style electrically actuated latch mechanism built into the door/frame, sort of thing that is on offices/flats all over the country. Integrated and retrofit (E.g. https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/CCTV_New_I...
Then you get to the more secure ones like the winkhaus I mentioned that drives hook bolts into the frame. I ve sometimes thought that it d be interesting to see how that door (metal) with those locks would stand up to the big red key .
Then you have to work out how to activate it. There s this sort of stuff (just an example, no experience) https://www.clockrite.co.uk/door-access-control/ac... : the external unit on ours looks similar but wasn t able to directly interface to the door, hence the (overkill but only real option at the time) Paxton system on ours that it links to, the latter triggering the actual lock. Basically if you want it more complex than an off the shelf thing to drive a euro-cylinder or Yale, you re likely to end up talking to people who do more corporate stuff.
Best thing to do is probably to speak to local access control company and see what they d recommend as you can quickly go down the rabbit hole with this sort of stuff and then, from experience, it becomes a PITA getting people to actually install it if they ve never done it before.
I have something very similar to the Winkhaus setup you describe in an Internorm alu-timber composite, with the motor turning the cylinder / latch as well as steel hooks top and bottom. There's a biometric finger print reader milled into the door sash.There are loads of ways to do it now (ours was installed 10 years ago and I effectively had to sort each element separately and tell each supplier that it was on me if it didn t work).
For example: we have a code/fob operated daytime Yale on our boot room + larger locks for when out/at night.
Next step up is a corporate style electrically actuated latch mechanism built into the door/frame, sort of thing that is on offices/flats all over the country. Integrated and retrofit (E.g. https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/CCTV_New_I...
Then you get to the more secure ones like the winkhaus I mentioned that drives hook bolts into the frame. I ve sometimes thought that it d be interesting to see how that door (metal) with those locks would stand up to the big red key .
Then you have to work out how to activate it. There s this sort of stuff (just an example, no experience) https://www.clockrite.co.uk/door-access-control/ac... : the external unit on ours looks similar but wasn t able to directly interface to the door, hence the (overkill but only real option at the time) Paxton system on ours that it links to, the latter triggering the actual lock. Basically if you want it more complex than an off the shelf thing to drive a euro-cylinder or Yale, you re likely to end up talking to people who do more corporate stuff.
Best thing to do is probably to speak to local access control company and see what they d recommend as you can quickly go down the rabbit hole with this sort of stuff and then, from experience, it becomes a PITA getting people to actually install it if they ve never done it before.
Glad I did it as the door is now fully locked automatically by default which protects from opportunistic 'walk through the open door' intrusions yet without the downside of lock-out risk by wife/daughter who are always forgetting keys.
I have a push-to-open button wall mounted, this could have been actuated by the handle but I specifically wanted a button that (1) I would wall mount above child height and (2) can be isolated when the house is empty to protect against somebody making a hole in laminated glass and actuating the button.
The door is designed with air-tightness in mind so there's no letterbox, I installed a parcel box outside which has also proven to be a big convenience.
My only concern was emergency egress but I installed a tilt-turn triple-glazed laminated window in the hallway that can serve as an emergency exit door if it came to it.
Of course you can make the door as hard as you like and any potential intruder will just look for a weaker point of entry, nothing is impenetrable, but the idea is to put up a 'you'll find the neighbours are much easier' type deterrant.
Byker28i said:
DONT tie it into your smart device.
A work colleague had a fully automated house, until we showed we could shout through the letterbox "Alexa open the front door".
My garage doors are integrated with Alexa. I can tell Alexa to close them, but not open them unless I give a password. I never bothered with setting up a password so Alexa just won't open them.A work colleague had a fully automated house, until we showed we could shout through the letterbox "Alexa open the front door".
I installed a Yale Connexis on a brand new aluminium front door over the summer and had to return it because it was so unreliable. There's a small ball dedent in the actuator you replace the Euro cylider with and the actuator itself is really short. This actuator is held in with one screw exactly as the old cylider was, but if it moved then the electric motor was unable to turn the lock and the whole thing would jam up. We had the whole thing apart multiple times and just gave up in the end.
I'd be interested to hear which brands people in here were using. I can see ERA have a nice lock which has a thumprint reader built in (this required an extra module with the Yale system) but it looks like the lock actuator has a similar design, with the ball dedent, but is possibly a bit longer. Just wonder if it's less fussy..?
I'd be interested to hear which brands people in here were using. I can see ERA have a nice lock which has a thumprint reader built in (this required an extra module with the Yale system) but it looks like the lock actuator has a similar design, with the ball dedent, but is possibly a bit longer. Just wonder if it's less fussy..?
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Byker28i said:
DONT tie it into your smart device.
A work colleague had a fully automated house, until we showed we could shout through the letterbox "Alexa open the front door".
My garage doors are integrated with Alexa. I can tell Alexa to close them, but not open them unless I give a password. I never bothered with setting up a password so Alexa just won't open them.A work colleague had a fully automated house, until we showed we could shout through the letterbox "Alexa open the front door".
.I use SOMFY CONNEXION/TAHOMA with SAMSUNG SMARTTHINGS/ACTIONTILES/ALEXA
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Thursday 25th September 08:46
The Three D Mucketeer said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Byker28i said:
DONT tie it into your smart device.
A work colleague had a fully automated house, until we showed we could shout through the letterbox "Alexa open the front door".
My garage doors are integrated with Alexa. I can tell Alexa to close them, but not open them unless I give a password. I never bothered with setting up a password so Alexa just won't open them.A work colleague had a fully automated house, until we showed we could shout through the letterbox "Alexa open the front door".
.I use SOMFY CONNEXION/TAHOMA with SAMSUNG SMARTTHINGS/ACTIONTILES/ALEXA
Yes, exactly - Somfy devices with the Tahoma software.
I didn't bother with the opening by Alexa as the push buttons for the garage doors are by the back door that I have to walk out of to get to them. Alexa is in the other direction. It's nice though when sitting in the living room if I have forgotten to close them I can just tell Alexa to do it.
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Thursday 25th September 08:46
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