Principle Elevation question (car port)
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Going to build a car port - plan was for a lean-to (purple square) - that's the rear side of the house.
Front door, lounge windows etc, are all facing red arrow. Orange arrow is garage door direction
Now thinking of gravelling the red square area as it'll never get used for anything else, and the Mrs suggested, "why not put your car port there"
But I'm confused about the planning reg for permitted development, not helped by them trying to cover too many bases in one sentence,
"No part of the garage or car port can be in front of the principal or side elevation of the original house that faces onto a road. "
Too much in one sentence for me, "principle or side" - hey? which is it, front, and sides, front only? And my house doesn't face the road - so does that negate the rest of the sentence?.
Can anyone clarify for me.
My red square is on front of the principle elevation, but, it's off to the side, so is it in front ?
My initial feeling from reading again, and asking ChatGPT, is it's ok, as its not in front of the main elevation (yellow arrows), and not in front of the side facing the road (purple arrows)....
Front door, lounge windows etc, are all facing red arrow. Orange arrow is garage door direction
Now thinking of gravelling the red square area as it'll never get used for anything else, and the Mrs suggested, "why not put your car port there"
But I'm confused about the planning reg for permitted development, not helped by them trying to cover too many bases in one sentence,
"No part of the garage or car port can be in front of the principal or side elevation of the original house that faces onto a road. "
Too much in one sentence for me, "principle or side" - hey? which is it, front, and sides, front only? And my house doesn't face the road - so does that negate the rest of the sentence?.
Can anyone clarify for me.
My red square is on front of the principle elevation, but, it's off to the side, so is it in front ?
My initial feeling from reading again, and asking ChatGPT, is it's ok, as its not in front of the main elevation (yellow arrows), and not in front of the side facing the road (purple arrows)....
Edited by Griffith4ever on Monday 22 September 23:23
From GDPO
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/permitt...
Principal elevation: in most cases the principal elevation will be that part of the house which fronts (directly or at an angle) the main highway serving the house (the main highway will be the one that sets the postcode for the house concerned). It will usually contain the main architectural features such as main bay windows or a porch serving the main entrance to the house. Usually, but not exclusively, the principal elevation will be what is understood to be the front of the house.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/permitt...
Principal elevation: in most cases the principal elevation will be that part of the house which fronts (directly or at an angle) the main highway serving the house (the main highway will be the one that sets the postcode for the house concerned). It will usually contain the main architectural features such as main bay windows or a porch serving the main entrance to the house. Usually, but not exclusively, the principal elevation will be what is understood to be the front of the house.
A lean-to car port tucked behind the house (purple square) would normally be fine under PD.
Moving it forward into the red square area places it in front of the principal elevation line, which would trigger the need for a planning application.
You could ask the local planning duty officer with your sketch, so they can confirm in writing whether the red-square option is outside PD? That way you would have a defensible answer before committing.
Moving it forward into the red square area places it in front of the principal elevation line, which would trigger the need for a planning application.
You could ask the local planning duty officer with your sketch, so they can confirm in writing whether the red-square option is outside PD? That way you would have a defensible answer before committing.
Sheepshanks said:
Not sure if serious .?
Yes, very much so. Can you help?I'm trying to clarify if "in front" of elevation is the same as "to one side" because my red box is in front of nothing, but it's to one side of both the front, and the side elevation.
I'm neither a planner or an architech, and I want to understand the wording better. Someone above has quoted exactly what I read on the planning site. The internet is awash with people asking for exactly the same clarification, with a lot of confusing answers.
smokey mow said:
From GDPO
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/permitt...
Principal elevation: in most cases the principal elevation will be that part of the house which fronts (directly or at an angle) the main highway serving the house (the main highway will be the one that sets the postcode for the house concerned). It will usually contain the main architectural features such as main bay windows or a porch serving the main entrance to the house. Usually, but not exclusively, the principal elevation will be what is understood to be the front of the house.
Yes, and reading that, my principal elevation is the long garden facing side of the house.https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/permitt...
Principal elevation: in most cases the principal elevation will be that part of the house which fronts (directly or at an angle) the main highway serving the house (the main highway will be the one that sets the postcode for the house concerned). It will usually contain the main architectural features such as main bay windows or a porch serving the main entrance to the house. Usually, but not exclusively, the principal elevation will be what is understood to be the front of the house.
paddy1970 said:
A lean-to car port tucked behind the house (purple square) would normally be fine under PD.
Moving it forward into the red square area places it in front of the principal elevation line, which would trigger the need for a planning application.
You could ask the local planning duty officer with your sketch, so they can confirm in writing whether the red-square option is outside PD? That way you would have a defensible answer before committing.
Thanks. So there is an imaginary line that runs along the font of the house from road to garden end?Moving it forward into the red square area places it in front of the principal elevation line, which would trigger the need for a planning application.
You could ask the local planning duty officer with your sketch, so they can confirm in writing whether the red-square option is outside PD? That way you would have a defensible answer before committing.
"No part of the garage or car port can be in front of the principal or side elevation of the original house that faces onto a road." It's not an either/or statement, it's both elevations. Your car port does appear to flout both elevation rules so even if it were either/or you appear to be in breach of conditions. I'm not an expert though, just trying to interpret what I'm reading
Griffith4ever said:
Sheepshanks said:
Not sure if serious .?
Yes, very much so. Can you help?I'm trying to clarify if "in front" of elevation is the same as "to one side" because my red box is in front of nothing, but it's to one side of both the front, and the side elevation.
I'm neither a planner or an architech, and I want to understand the wording better. Someone above has quoted exactly what I read on the planning site. The internet is awash with people asking for exactly the same clarification, with a lot of confusing answers.
And it clearly says both front and side, if they’re both facing roads. Like a house on a corner would do.
TA14 said:
Sheepshanks said:
TBH it reads pretty obviously to me. In front means...
It also seems obvious that the purple box is a far better place to build your lean to/car port/soon to become a garage with storage/workshop behind and close access to the house.But it is (lean to down the side) most likely what will happen - I have a couple of issues with a heating flue, but that is not insurmountable.
TA14 said:
If you did want the red box option I would have thought that PP was a possibility with the trees and orientation of next door's house. (I'm not a planning expert.)
Yes - and, while the pictures aren’t great, things don’t look particularly organised in the road. It’s not like a modern estate where there’s a continuous building line that planners wouldn’t want breached, but even then you see houses pulled forward, as my house has been from a gable end facing the road.Say it’s for an EV - that might please them. You could you want it separate from the house in case it bursts into flames.
TA14 said:
If you did want the red box option I would have thought that PP was a possibility with the trees and orientation of next door's house. (I'm not a planning expert.)
Indeed, It’s often better to try and get planning permission for what you want, rather than designing a compromise to fit into permitted development. Usual caveats apply in terms of seeking professional advice and your specific circumstances.
You can always revert to the PD option if it become clear getting planning isn’t feasible (assuming you have PD rights…).
Cow Corner said:
Indeed, It s often better to try and get planning permission for what you want, rather than designing a compromise to fit into permitted development.
Usual caveats apply in terms of seeking professional advice and your specific circumstances.
You can always revert to the PD option if it become clear getting planning isn t feasible (assuming you have PD rights ).
Cheers (and to all). TBH - I was spitballing the idea. Way too much on my hands with the move / remodelling / prebooked winter escape / business to run. Going to cover the car for this winter, then deal with the car port next spring. Usual caveats apply in terms of seeking professional advice and your specific circumstances.
You can always revert to the PD option if it become clear getting planning isn t feasible (assuming you have PD rights ).
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