GranTurismo4-vs-life re the MR2-T ??

[Pierscoe1]

just having a bash round the ring in various cars on GT4 tonight.. and hada go with a tubby.
Now GT4 laptimes are supposed to be within tenths of a second of real life, and the handling very accurate.. so does a real tubby handle like this:

very little power-oversteer in anything above second, nearly always just squats and goes..
very LARGE amount of lift-off-oversteer, but turns into lovely controlled drift if you're (very) quick and accurate with the opposite-lock early on..
also quite substantial turn-in (momentum?) oversteer, that's less snappy than lift-off, but still requires quick responses, and creates useful back-end movement to get in to the apex..

so.. over to all tubby owners (or ex-owners), is this actually how they drive?

[small]don't have any other comparisons to make between gt4/life, apart from the mx5, which is similarly easy to slide around, and pointy, in the game..[/small]

[andy mac]

Pierscoe1 said:

just having a bash round the ring in various cars on GT4 tonight.. and hada go with a tubby. Now GT4 laptimes are supposed to be within tenths of a second of real life, and the handling very accurate.. so does a real tubby handle like this: very little power-oversteer in anything above second, nearly always just squats and goes.. very LARGE amount of lift-off-oversteer, but turns into lovely controlled drift if you're (very) quick and accurate with the opposite-lock early on.. also quite substantial turn-in (momentum?) oversteer, that's less snappy than lift-off, but still requires quick responses, and creates useful back-end movement to get in to the apex.. so.. over to all tubby owners (or ex-owners), is this actually how they drive? don't have any other comparisons to make between gt4/life, apart from the mx5, which is similarly easy to slide around, and pointy, in the game..

Yup.. Agree about the power-oversteer. The arse of the tubby seems to just clamp further onto the road, and you can scream round corners, going at pretty silly speeds really... Until you lift off, which leads to your next point. It can get very twitchy if you are on, and off the throttle. Its one of those cars that you have to do everything smoothly, and be very nice with the throttle. On and off will unsettle it.
The high speed oversteer is more to do with the fact that you have more weight on the rear. most mid/rear engined cars suffer from this more than front engined cars. Still, I doubt you would see this when driving unless you get things VERY wrong. I never experienced it. Only oversteer was sliding round corners, or what have you.

The tubby is an incredible little car, and has been said 37,927 times before, if ferrari, Lotus, or TVR had released it as a mini/budget car, it would have been a damn site more popular, and a lot more reveered. Unfortunately they never officialy released the car in the UK which means it will permanently be resigned to another MGF/MX5 rival, when in fact, it is a damn site higher up the food chain.... Go try one out and prepared to want one afterwards!

[_Al_]

Agree with Gaz - if mine drove like it does in GT4 I would already be dead. At high speed it is massively unstable - the real one is totally planted.

I guess it might depend what controller you use though. I just can't get the smooth movements necessary from the standard controller. Maybe I should use the sticks instead of the buttons...

[andy mac]

Gazboy said:

They got the handling wrong on the MR2 in a big way- in GT3, they got the gears completely wrong, that's sorted in GT4, but if my MRT handled like it does in GT4, I wouldn't be typing this! Yes it launches off the line like a 4wd car (side-step the clutch at 5k, and watch Supra's/M3's go backwards), you can power oversteer, or you can provoke it into a slide in 4th, and power out. I cannot emphisise how badly they got the handling of the MR2 wrong on the GT series. >> Edited by Gazboy on Thursday 6th October 00:52

You could power slide in 4th? Mine never ever lost the arse in 4th gear, and going round long sweeping bend type thing when in 4th it never ever felt like it would slide, unless wet! ! You could get it sliding in 1st and 2nd, but I found 3rd to be a much longer gear, and you pretty much did the squat down, rather than start sliding... You can power oversteer, but I found it wasn't something that it would let you do that easily, especially higher up the gears...

[_Al_]

There's no way mine would slide in 4th. It struggles to do 2nd.

Yours had the slip diff didn't it Gaz?

That's one thing I noticed last night (comparing mine with the Rev 1) - the difference in traction is phenomenal.

[_Al_]

Mine's a beauty in 3rd in the wet.

As you say though; trying this on the road is, at best, a license looser...

[Pierscoe1]

interesting bunch of responses.. thankg guys.