Want to fill up your car to full Sir...Sorry please move on!
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I've owned an EV as our main family car since 2015, we bought a Tesla paid upfront when the company looked like it might fail.....but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine we wouldn't be 'allowed' to refuel our car to full without having to pay a fine!!!
Tesla are now introducing a 'fine' if you try and charge your car over 80% at Superchargers!!!!
I see Porsche has back tracked on their EV plans, and Toyota are sticking with their PHEVs. If the future of refueling is drivers are at the whim of mega corporations led by I*** than Porsche and Toyota probably have been right all along.
I was already planning on replacing our X sometime in the next 12 months, I think it's now some time in the next 12 weeks. The company that led the way for mass market EVs is now sadly just a joke, and deserves the same fate as so many other tech companies that loss the vision of why they were setup in the first place.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharge...
Tesla are now introducing a 'fine' if you try and charge your car over 80% at Superchargers!!!!
I see Porsche has back tracked on their EV plans, and Toyota are sticking with their PHEVs. If the future of refueling is drivers are at the whim of mega corporations led by I*** than Porsche and Toyota probably have been right all along.
I was already planning on replacing our X sometime in the next 12 months, I think it's now some time in the next 12 weeks. The company that led the way for mass market EVs is now sadly just a joke, and deserves the same fate as so many other tech companies that loss the vision of why they were setup in the first place.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharge...
Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 24th September 20:21
I don't like the company... but this makes sense doesn't it?
How fast does it charge from 20-80% vs 80-100%? They're all slow for that last bit of the battery, right? Which means chargers tied up.
The annoying part is you might need the full range sometimes. You want that flexibility. Surely as it's all on the same tracked account they could give everyone 1 full 100% charge per week and that would sort it for most.
How fast does it charge from 20-80% vs 80-100%? They're all slow for that last bit of the battery, right? Which means chargers tied up.
The annoying part is you might need the full range sometimes. You want that flexibility. Surely as it's all on the same tracked account they could give everyone 1 full 100% charge per week and that would sort it for most.
RotorRambler said:
Looks like it only applies when the station is getting congested.
That last 20% takes a lot longer..
Seems fair enough TBH, gives everyone a crack, rather than some hogging the stations to get those last few %?
It's apparently live in all sites regardless of how busy or not. Our car has 94k on the battery and on long road trips we have to charge to 100% often, it's usually timed with a lunch stop. That last 20% takes a lot longer..
Seems fair enough TBH, gives everyone a crack, rather than some hogging the stations to get those last few %?
Imagine going into a petrol station and wanting a full tank but you are told you cannot have it unless you pay more.
Mikebentley said:
Serious reply now. 80% in your Tesla is easily 200 miles range just move on half reduce any congestion.i I don t know for sure but it could keep everyone moving.
80% in our car is now less than 150 miles, when on road trips we don't aim to arrive at a charger with less than 20% incase the charger isn't working. So effectively now our car can only go 100-120 miles between charges on road trips (80-20%). Essentially the car is now useless for road trips.gangzoom said:
I've owned an EV as our main family car since 2015, we bought a Tesla paid upfront when the company looked like it might fail.....but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine we wouldn't be 'allowed' to refuel our car to full without having to pay a fine!!!
Tesla are now introducing a 'fine' if you try and charge your car over 80% at Superchargers!!!!
I see Porsche has back tracked on their EV plans, and Toyota are sticking with their PHEVs. If the future of refueling is drivers are at the whim of mega corporations led by I*** than Porsche and Toyota probably have been right all along.
I was already planning on replacing our X sometime in the next 12 months, I think it's now some time in the next 12 weeks. The company that led the way for mass market EVs is now sadly just a joke, and deserves the same fate as so many other tech companies that loss the vision of why they were setup in the first place.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharge...
A big moan about nothing really, infact I would say this is a positive not a negative. If that last 20% is vital then pay the fine and move on. If it isn’t vital then letting someone else charge up to what they need and to a max of 80% makes perfect sense to me. It’s probably because people (maybe you) sit in the spots for ages while trickling the last 20% while other people have to wait. Tesla are now introducing a 'fine' if you try and charge your car over 80% at Superchargers!!!!
I see Porsche has back tracked on their EV plans, and Toyota are sticking with their PHEVs. If the future of refueling is drivers are at the whim of mega corporations led by I*** than Porsche and Toyota probably have been right all along.
I was already planning on replacing our X sometime in the next 12 months, I think it's now some time in the next 12 weeks. The company that led the way for mass market EVs is now sadly just a joke, and deserves the same fate as so many other tech companies that loss the vision of why they were setup in the first place.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharge...
Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 24th September 20:21
t happens with Musk.gangzoom said:
Mikebentley said:
Serious reply now. 80% in your Tesla is easily 200 miles range just move on half reduce any congestion.i I don t know for sure but it could keep everyone moving.
80% in our car is now less than 150 miles, when on road trips we don't aim to arrive at a charger with less than 20% incase the charger isn't working. So effectively now our car can only go 100-120 miles between charges on road trips (80-20%). Essentially the car is now useless for road trips.How much is the fine?
It makes sense, it’s actually quicker for you to change to 80% then drive on. The last 20% charge is much slower.
The only time I charge to 100% is overnight slowly at home before a long trip. When away from home I go from 20 or 30 to 80 each time.
Do you run your petrol car to empty before refuelling?
Of course not. In a similar vein don’t expect to charge to 100%, it’s not the most efficient way
The only time I charge to 100% is overnight slowly at home before a long trip. When away from home I go from 20 or 30 to 80 each time.
Do you run your petrol car to empty before refuelling?
Of course not. In a similar vein don’t expect to charge to 100%, it’s not the most efficient way
Origami said:
It makes sense, it s actually quicker for you to change to 80% then drive on. The last 20% charge is much slower.
The only time I charge to 100% is overnight slowly at home before a long trip. When away from home I go from 20 or 30 to 80 each time.
Do you run your petrol car to empty before refuelling?
Of course not. In a similar vein don t expect to charge to 100%, it s not the most efficient way
In most cases I run my fuel tank down to about 30-50 mile range then fill it to 100%. So…down to 5% to 10% then back up to 100%, same on my motorbikes…I wouldn’t ever fill a car to 80%, especially so on a long journey.The only time I charge to 100% is overnight slowly at home before a long trip. When away from home I go from 20 or 30 to 80 each time.
Do you run your petrol car to empty before refuelling?
Of course not. In a similar vein don t expect to charge to 100%, it s not the most efficient way
I can understand the 80% thing on an EV if that last 20% takes a long time. I assume the cells do need a 100% charge to balance them occasionally though?
NH-0 said:
gangzoom said:
Mikebentley said:
Serious reply now. 80% in your Tesla is easily 200 miles range just move on half reduce any congestion.i I don t know for sure but it could keep everyone moving.
80% in our car is now less than 150 miles, when on road trips we don't aim to arrive at a charger with less than 20% incase the charger isn't working. So effectively now our car can only go 100-120 miles between charges on road trips (80-20%). Essentially the car is now useless for road trips.How much is the fine?
I'm going out on a limb here, but this strikes me as absolutely outrageous, and that's coming from a huge fan of Musk.
You bought a Tesla because not only is it great, but right from the off you had class-leading range and you paid good money for it. If there isn't the charger capacity at peak times then put in more chargers. Other people needing to charge shouldn't be of concern, it's an infrastructure problem, not a "we're all in this together" scenario.
This effectively cuts 20% off of the range of every Tesla, because if you can't rely on being able to put in a full charge, then 80% becomes the new full.
You bought a Tesla because not only is it great, but right from the off you had class-leading range and you paid good money for it. If there isn't the charger capacity at peak times then put in more chargers. Other people needing to charge shouldn't be of concern, it's an infrastructure problem, not a "we're all in this together" scenario.
This effectively cuts 20% off of the range of every Tesla, because if you can't rely on being able to put in a full charge, then 80% becomes the new full.
gangzoom said:
I've owned an EV as our main family car since 2015, we bought a Tesla paid upfront when the company looked like it might fail.....but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine we wouldn't be 'allowed' to refuel our car to full without having to pay a fine!!!
Tesla are now introducing a 'fine' if you try and charge your car over 80% at Superchargers!!!!
I see Porsche has back tracked on their EV plans, and Toyota are sticking with their PHEVs. If the future of refueling is drivers are at the whim of mega corporations led by I*** than Porsche and Toyota probably have been right all along.
I was already planning on replacing our X sometime in the next 12 months, I think it's now some time in the next 12 weeks. The company that led the way for mass market EVs is now sadly just a joke, and deserves the same fate as so many other tech companies that loss the vision of why they were setup in the first place.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharge...
You are ‘allowed” to fuel your car to 100%, you’re just paying more if you go above 80%. Tesla are now introducing a 'fine' if you try and charge your car over 80% at Superchargers!!!!
I see Porsche has back tracked on their EV plans, and Toyota are sticking with their PHEVs. If the future of refueling is drivers are at the whim of mega corporations led by I*** than Porsche and Toyota probably have been right all along.
I was already planning on replacing our X sometime in the next 12 months, I think it's now some time in the next 12 weeks. The company that led the way for mass market EVs is now sadly just a joke, and deserves the same fate as so many other tech companies that loss the vision of why they were setup in the first place.
https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharge...
Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 24th September 20:21
No different to paying more for petrol that one might have done 10 years ago.
In terms of the company, it’s hard to see where they go next. They have a very small range and are now competing with an ever increasing number of other manufacturers offering EVs.
Given that they charge per kilowatt and not by time spent charging, it also makes commercial sense for them to en courage people to charge optimally.
I like an EV for local journeys, but doing long distances or road trips would just annoy me. But then I’m pretty impatient.
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