US Government shut down?
Discussion
Long story short:
The US government requires funding
There has to be a bill passed through the senate to ensure this
The passing vote is 60/100
The bills are normally drawn on partisan lines, Reps want funding for certain things, Dems want funding for others/don’t want the funding for Reps plans etc
If no funding is agreed, the government can’t carry on and shuts down, non essential staff get furloughed whilst it’s all sorted
It used to take a couple of days for some political wrangling/compromise but since the days of Trump, both parties are more politically divisive and getting any bipartisan support for anything is incredibly hard.
Trump et al seem happy to try and bully the Dems into submission rather than playing nicely nicely (shock!) - check the whitehouse website for a stark indication of this.
The US government requires funding
There has to be a bill passed through the senate to ensure this
The passing vote is 60/100
The bills are normally drawn on partisan lines, Reps want funding for certain things, Dems want funding for others/don’t want the funding for Reps plans etc
If no funding is agreed, the government can’t carry on and shuts down, non essential staff get furloughed whilst it’s all sorted
It used to take a couple of days for some political wrangling/compromise but since the days of Trump, both parties are more politically divisive and getting any bipartisan support for anything is incredibly hard.
Trump et al seem happy to try and bully the Dems into submission rather than playing nicely nicely (shock!) - check the whitehouse website for a stark indication of this.
The Rotrex Kid said:
Long story short:
The US government requires funding
There has to be a bill passed through the senate to ensure this
The passing vote is 60/100
The bills are normally drawn on partisan lines, Reps want funding for certain things, Dems want funding for others/don t want the funding for Reps plans etc
If no funding is agreed, the government can t carry on and shuts down, non essential staff get furloughed whilst it s all sorted
It used to take a couple of days for some political wrangling/compromise but since the days of Trump, both parties are more politically divisive and getting any bipartisan support for anything is incredibly hard.
Trump et al seem happy to try and bully the Dems into submission rather than playing nicely nicely (shock!) - check the whitehouse website for a stark indication of this.
Thanks, seems a bit extreme, to shut down the Government?The US government requires funding
There has to be a bill passed through the senate to ensure this
The passing vote is 60/100
The bills are normally drawn on partisan lines, Reps want funding for certain things, Dems want funding for others/don t want the funding for Reps plans etc
If no funding is agreed, the government can t carry on and shuts down, non essential staff get furloughed whilst it s all sorted
It used to take a couple of days for some political wrangling/compromise but since the days of Trump, both parties are more politically divisive and getting any bipartisan support for anything is incredibly hard.
Trump et al seem happy to try and bully the Dems into submission rather than playing nicely nicely (shock!) - check the whitehouse website for a stark indication of this.
I've had a google but can't find out what it's actually about?
Acorn1 said:
The Rotrex Kid said:
Long story short:
The US government requires funding
There has to be a bill passed through the senate to ensure this
The passing vote is 60/100
The bills are normally drawn on partisan lines, Reps want funding for certain things, Dems want funding for others/don t want the funding for Reps plans etc
If no funding is agreed, the government can t carry on and shuts down, non essential staff get furloughed whilst it s all sorted
It used to take a couple of days for some political wrangling/compromise but since the days of Trump, both parties are more politically divisive and getting any bipartisan support for anything is incredibly hard.
Trump et al seem happy to try and bully the Dems into submission rather than playing nicely nicely (shock!) - check the whitehouse website for a stark indication of this.
Thanks, seems a bit extreme, to shut down the Government?The US government requires funding
There has to be a bill passed through the senate to ensure this
The passing vote is 60/100
The bills are normally drawn on partisan lines, Reps want funding for certain things, Dems want funding for others/don t want the funding for Reps plans etc
If no funding is agreed, the government can t carry on and shuts down, non essential staff get furloughed whilst it s all sorted
It used to take a couple of days for some political wrangling/compromise but since the days of Trump, both parties are more politically divisive and getting any bipartisan support for anything is incredibly hard.
Trump et al seem happy to try and bully the Dems into submission rather than playing nicely nicely (shock!) - check the whitehouse website for a stark indication of this.
I've had a google but can't find out what it's actually about?
This highlights the current extreme polarisation of the US political system currently, both sides are unwilling to give the other an inch, the republicans because they are empowered by Donald Trump and his bolshy attitude, the Democrats because they don’t want to seem weak at a time when they have already been pounded into submission. It’s a proper s
tty situation. Good explanation of what could happen here from the BBC - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdr6pnky7vyo
The Rotrex Kid said:
It certainly doesn t happen every 2 years .
Longest (so far!) is 35 days, Trump has the bigliest shutdowns.
I live near Lakenheath, Feltwell and Mildenhall. When they had a long shutdown and the USAF ran out of money so could only run essential training operations. It was ever so quiet. They even cancelled 4th of July celebrations. Longest (so far!) is 35 days, Trump has the bigliest shutdowns.
Current spat is Trump's "big beautiful bill" gutted a lot of programs like Medicare, medicaid, support for veterans, food stamps etc.
Dems wont agree to fund government until all that's put back.
Reps claim the democrats just want to give Healthcare to illegals...
Reps also claim it's all the dems fault, despite them having majorities in both the house and senate, and the presidency. But dems have finagled it that the shutdown happened because the Reps voted against a proposal.
Usually fixed by isolating enough opposing senators with moolah for their states in return for their vote.
Interesting to see where it goes from here
M
Dems wont agree to fund government until all that's put back.
Reps claim the democrats just want to give Healthcare to illegals...
Reps also claim it's all the dems fault, despite them having majorities in both the house and senate, and the presidency. But dems have finagled it that the shutdown happened because the Reps voted against a proposal.
Usually fixed by isolating enough opposing senators with moolah for their states in return for their vote.
Interesting to see where it goes from here
M
Russet Grange said:
Happened in The West Wing, in an episode titled "Shutdown".
We re-watched the west wing during spring.It is like a time warp back to a completely different era. (I know it was made up, but still...)
Bartlett resolved it by walking from the white house to Congress, but in the script it was the gop (republicans) back tracking on a deal they had already made.
In real life now?
The usa voted in a gop Congress, a gop president and a gop senate (just).
Yes, the dems can block a 60% majority in the senate, but they are on thin ice politically. To what extend do they really expect the gop to unbend based on such a sliver of leverage?
trump doesn't seem to care about chaos - he thrives on it.
He doesn't care about the facts of a situation - he just sets a narrative and overwhelms the opposition with mistruth (ie lies).
I personally can't see the dems achieving any of their political objectives.
But they have taken a principled approach, so it remains to be seen how long their principles can hold out against the impact on the usa citizens.
I think the gop would have done exactly the same if the situation was reversed, though worth mentioning for all his supposed foibles, sleepy Joe led usa politics far more successfully when it came to avoiding shutdowns...
There's no blockage, it's performative garbage just like most of the rubbish from the white house; the GOP could push their CR through exactly as they pushed through the confirmation of a load of judges a few weeks ago when the nominations were so awful and unfit for the judiciary that no democrats would vote for them.
hidetheelephants said:
There's no blockage, it's performative garbage just like most of the rubbish from the white house; the GOP could push their CR through exactly as they pushed through the confirmation of a load of judges a few weeks ago when the nominations were so awful and unfit for the judiciary that no democrats would vote for them.
Except it is the Democrats who blocked this one.hidetheelephants said:
There's no blockage, the GOP could push it through as I described; they aren't presumably because Trump prefers the effect of having a tantrum over nothing.
There absolutely is a blockage by the democrats. The republicans could in theory force it through as you describe, but both sides have had a vested interest in not doing so because it then allows them to keep a gun to the other party's head when they lose. They obviously did so in Trump's first term for the supreme court but that was also a direct consequence of the democrats having done so earlier for positions below supreme court level. Having the ability to force it through despite the blockage doesn't change that there is said blockage in the first place.It's ludicrous to attempt to claim there isn't a blockage as neither side particularly wants to use that option until absolutely necessary. Obama didn't do so in govt shutdowns when the republicans were playing silly buggers either so when he didn't instruct Reid to do so, was it because he also was preferring having a tantrum over nothing?
fttm said:
Gotta thank the Democrats for this st show
Why, they appear to care for the majority of Americans which is a massive contrast to the MAGA mob whose only objective is to own "the libtards"t show We live in a society not an economy that is only the support mechanism for a society
No dog in the fight I'm an Australian and a human
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