Personal on-street EV parking
Personal on-street EV parking
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CoolHands

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21,358 posts

213 months

Wednesday
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I’ve posted a pic once before of an ev in an ev parking space that got a ticket as it wasn’t plugged in & actually charging (Harrow).



Well recently Brent has been converting various resident parking bays into ev only, which is a complete waste of spaces since noone is using them for charging (cheers Brent; parking is often tight already). In effect they’ve now gifted this bloke (local resident) a permanent free parking space - he doesn’t charge in it (probably exorbitant pricing), it’s just a nice always-available spot for him!





So what’s the rules on public ev spaces - can you theoretically only park in them while charging, or not? The sign doesn’t say anything.

ashenfie

1,718 posts

64 months

Thursday
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What does the signage say? Seen quite a few of these schemes and none seem to be used. So many useful things the money could have been used for, sad really.

sixor8

7,169 posts

286 months

Thursday
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Zooming in, it seems to says electric vehicle recharging point only. I would read that as no parking without charging.

This would seem to me to be the whole point of them. It's a public charging point that EVs can utilise in turn, not an EV only parking bay.

QuickQuack

2,540 posts

119 months

Thursday
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Then there are the on-street parking places where you have to pay for the electricity AND a parking fee separately.

Which I didn't realise because the signage didn't make it clear, so ended up with a parking ticket even though my car was charging. irked

bigandclever

14,100 posts

256 months

Thursday
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Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Brent said:
There are a number of electric vehicle recharging point bays across the borough, marked with the following sign:



These bays are reserved for electric vehicles only at all times with a maximum stay of 4 hours. Vehicles must be plugged in and actively charging when using these bays.
https://www.brent.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/travel-and-transport/electric-vehicle-charging#:~:text=Important%20information,the%20London%20Borough%20of%20Brent.

RizzoTheRat

27,136 posts

210 months

Thursday
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How do they do parking enforcement around there? Where I live it's done by cars with cameras on the roof so they might be able to pick up if a car's not an EV but they're not going to be able to tell if it's charging or not without the driver logging it or traffic warden visiting. That said people seem pretty good with our ones, mostly charging over night and parking elsewhere the rest of the time.

QuickQuack

2,540 posts

119 months

Thursday
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My ticket while I was actually charging was left on the car so it must've been a physical warden, but that was in Manchester. If it had been a camera car, it would've arrived in the post, wouldn't it?

blueg33

42,500 posts

242 months

Thursday
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There are some EV driving bellends who think its fine to occupy a charging spot without charging. I repeat these people are bellends.

A couple of weeks ago, a Tesla with a trailer parked across 8 chargers at the motorway services so they could plug in their car. Surely a non bellend would unhitch the trailer rather than occupy all 8 chargers for 20 minutes

RizzoTheRat

27,136 posts

210 months

Thursday
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QuickQuack said:
My ticket while I was actually charging was left on the car so it must've been a physical warden, but that was in Manchester. If it had been a camera car, it would've arrived in the post, wouldn't it?
I'd assume so yes, ours are in an area with residents parking and I think 1 hour limit for non residents so that helps but not much use for people passing through



blueg33 said:
There are some EV driving bellends who think its fine to occupy a charging spot without charging. I repeat these people are bellends.

A couple of weeks ago, a Tesla with a trailer parked across 8 chargers at the motorway services so they could plug in their car. Surely a non bellend would unhitch the trailer rather than occupy all 8 chargers for 20 minutes
Is it possible to be issued 7 parking tickets at the same time? biggrin

blueg33

42,500 posts

242 months

Thursday
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RizzoTheRat said:
QuickQuack said:
My ticket while I was actually charging was left on the car so it must've been a physical warden, but that was in Manchester. If it had been a camera car, it would've arrived in the post, wouldn't it?
I'd assume so yes, ours are in an area with residents parking and I think 1 hour limit for non residents so that helps but not much use for people passing through



blueg33 said:
There are some EV driving bellends who think its fine to occupy a charging spot without charging. I repeat these people are bellends.

A couple of weeks ago, a Tesla with a trailer parked across 8 chargers at the motorway services so they could plug in their car. Surely a non bellend would unhitch the trailer rather than occupy all 8 chargers for 20 minutes
Is it possible to be issued 7 parking tickets at the same time? biggrin
It would be a good idea. The fine should double on each ticket: 1st is £60, second £120, 3rd £240 etc by the time you get to 7 tickets the fine is large

RotorRambler

494 posts

8 months

Thursday
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Same as any throbber who park illegally.
May/should get a PCN, then they ll be whinging that they won t pay etc etc!
Dob them in if it s a regular occurance?

ashenfie

1,718 posts

64 months

Thursday
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RotorRambler said:
Same as any throbber who park illegally.
May/should get a PCN, then they ll be whinging that they won t pay etc etc!
Dob them in if it s a regular occurance?
A PCN for the signage as shown, if represented correctly would be thrown out due to the ambiguity of said signage.

braddo

11,897 posts

206 months

Thursday
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CoolHands said:
Well recently Brent has been converting various resident parking bays into ev only, which is a complete waste of spaces since noone is using them for charging (cheers Brent; parking is often tight already). In effect they ve now gifted this bloke (local resident) a permanent free parking space - he doesn t charge in it (probably exorbitant pricing), it s just a nice always-available spot for him!

It's a bit chicken and egg. Residents without driveways can hardly be expected to buy EVs if there isn't sufficient local provision of charging points. It's only a matter of time before these points will be used more.

There's one local idiot in a Tesla but it doesn't mean the council shouldn't be providing these charge points. If residents were buying EVs with nowhere to charge them you'd be blaming the council for not planning!

ZesPak

25,780 posts

214 months

Thursday
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braddo said:
It's a bit chicken and egg. Residents without driveways can hardly be expected to buy EVs if there isn't sufficient local provision of charging points. It's only a matter of time before these points will be used more.
yes

You can't do good for everyone.
  • People that don't have a driveway can't get an EV
  • Oh no, there's all these unused EV charging spaces around these parts
hehe

In essence, the high number for average UK driving is 270 km/week.
So on average, < one night of charging/week should cover it for most people. That means that you'd need about 1 charging spot per 10 cars (people charging during the day, people charging at work,...). You rotate that amongst inhabitants and you don't have to convert all the parking spaces to charging spaces.
Makes sense to me?

RizzoTheRat

27,136 posts

210 months

Thursday
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ZesPak said:
braddo said:
It's a bit chicken and egg. Residents without driveways can hardly be expected to buy EVs if there isn't sufficient local provision of charging points. It's only a matter of time before these points will be used more.
yes

You can't do good for everyone.
  • People that don't have a driveway can't get an EV
  • Oh no, there's all these unused EV charging spaces around these parts
hehe

In essence, the high number for average UK driving is 270 km/week.
So on average, < one night of charging/week should cover it for most people. That means that you'd need about 1 charging spot per 10 cars (people charging during the day, people charging at work,...). You rotate that amongst inhabitants and you don't have to convert all the parking spaces to charging spaces.
Makes sense to me?
I'm a big believer that on street chargers in residential areas are the way forwards, but the price needs to be right. My local on street chargers are 48c/kWh, for my PHEV (which admittedly doesn't go as far per kWh as a good BEV) that works out the same as doing 45 MPG on petrol!

ZesPak

25,780 posts

214 months

Thursday
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Agreed. It's a minefield out there, but more chargers = more options I'd say?

CoolHands

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21,358 posts

213 months

Thursday
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bigandclever said:
Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Brent said:
There are a number of electric vehicle recharging point bays across the borough, marked with the following sign:



These bays are reserved for electric vehicles only at all times with a maximum stay of 4 hours. Vehicles must be plugged in and actively charging when using these bays.
https://www.brent.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/travel-and-transport/electric-vehicle-charging#:~:text=Important%20information,the%20London%20Borough%20of%20Brent.
yes that is the sign that is on the pole.

CoolHands

Original Poster:

21,358 posts

213 months

Thursday
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RizzoTheRat said:
How do they do parking enforcement around there? Where I live it's done by cars with cameras on the roof so they might be able to pick up if a car's not an EV but they're not going to be able to tell if it's charging or not without the driver logging it or traffic warden visiting. That said people seem pretty good with our ones, mostly charging over night and parking elsewhere the rest of the time.
Here s its men on foot (sometimes scooter) walking about. I assume they get to know most of the local resident cars (it s resident only parking mostly). I assume but have never seen) they have a phone that can scan numberplates as you can pay online for visitors and obviously there’s nothing on their car to show that they’ve paid (via a householder).