Manchester synagogue - serious incident
Manchester synagogue - serious incident
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Earthdweller

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16,402 posts

144 months

Yesterday (10:30)
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Reports of a serious incident at a Synagogue in Crumpsall

Unconfirmed reports of multiple people stabbed

Andy Burnham has declared it a serious incident

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cx2703lnww4t

Big Rig

8,969 posts

205 months

Yesterday (10:39)
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A pretty bloody video already on Twitter I won’t share. Horrendous if true.

Earthdweller

Original Poster:

16,402 posts

144 months

Yesterday (10:40)
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There's some pretty horrific footage of Police shooting terrorists dead at the scene and bodies lying around

It's available on X if you want to view, I won't post here for obvious reasons


cirian75

4,820 posts

251 months

Yesterday (10:52)
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Earthdweller said:
There's some pretty horrific footage of Police shooting terrorists dead at the scene and bodies lying around

It's available on X if you want to view, I won't post here for obvious reasons
No thanks

Saw deadly Army ND 30 years ago, no desire to see more of that.

RedWhiteMonkey

7,997 posts

200 months

Yesterday (10:55)
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Earthdweller said:
There's some pretty horrific footage of Police shooting terrorists dead at the scene and bodies lying around

It's available on X if you want to view, I won't post here for obvious reasons
Are you sure you are watching real footage of this incident? Obviously, the news still coming in but according to latest news reports the police have said that four people have been injured and one person (presumably the suspect) has been shot dead.

NerveAgent

3,695 posts

238 months

Yesterday (10:57)
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
Earthdweller said:
There's some pretty horrific footage of Police shooting terrorists dead at the scene and bodies lying around

It's available on X if you want to view, I won't post here for obvious reasons
Are you sure you are watching real footage of this incident? Obviously, the news still coming in but according to latest news reports the police have said that four people have been injured and one person (presumably the suspect) has been shot dead.
I mean it looks pretty real, what is it you are suggesting? News is often slow to confirm things, due to the need to fact check.

WCZ

11,173 posts

212 months

Yesterday (10:58)
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Footage looks real, shows one body excluding the shooter

scenario8

7,291 posts

197 months

Yesterday (10:58)
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With reference to the description above of a video, is it clear there were terrorists (plural)? Sky news are speaking of a suspect (singular). They go on to say that person was shot. Presumably by the Police?

Irrespective of details what a terrible scene.

It s a Jewish festival today. For those not in the know. Fwiw this month is bursting with Jewish festivals so might not necessarily be a particular part of things.

Edited to add they (Sky news) have clarified the Police opened fire.

Also adding a car ramming .

Sake.

Edited by scenario8 on Thursday 2nd October 11:00

Gary29

4,621 posts

117 months

Yesterday (10:58)
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
Are you sure you are watching real footage of this incident? Obviously, the news still coming in but according to latest news reports the police have said that four people have been injured and one person (presumably the suspect) has been shot dead.
Video I watched seemed pretty real, and looks like the location given on the BBC website.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/iCwxEuWAAYfKDhg39

g4ry13

19,928 posts

273 months

Yesterday (10:59)
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
Earthdweller said:
There's some pretty horrific footage of Police shooting terrorists dead at the scene and bodies lying around

It's available on X if you want to view, I won't post here for obvious reasons
Are you sure you are watching real footage of this incident? Obviously, the news still coming in but according to latest news reports the police have said that four people have been injured and one person (presumably the suspect) has been shot dead.
Looks very real to me.

Big Rig

8,969 posts

205 months

Yesterday (11:00)
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A pretty bloody video already on Twitter I won’t share. Horrendous if true.

RedWhiteMonkey

7,997 posts

200 months

Yesterday (11:06)
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NerveAgent said:
RedWhiteMonkey said:
Earthdweller said:
There's some pretty horrific footage of Police shooting terrorists dead at the scene and bodies lying around

It's available on X if you want to view, I won't post here for obvious reasons
Are you sure you are watching real footage of this incident? Obviously, the news still coming in but according to latest news reports the police have said that four people have been injured and one person (presumably the suspect) has been shot dead.
I mean it looks pretty real, what is it you are suggesting? News is often slow to confirm things, due to the need to fact check.
Well, you say the footage shows the police shooting terrorists (plural) dead, yet the latest statement from GM Police is:

[i]"Police were called to the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue, on Middleton Road, Crumpsall, at 9.31am by a member of the public, stating he had witnessed a car being driven towards members of the public, and one man had been stabbed.

GMP declared PLATO and a major incident at 9.37am. Shots were fired by Greater Manchester Police firearms officers at 9.38am. One man has been shot, believed to be the offender.

Paramedics arrived at the scene at 9.41am and are tending to members of the public, currently four members of the public with injuries caused by both the vehicle and stab wounds.

Members of the public are asked to avoid the area while the police continue to deal with the incident."[/i]

Was there more than one attacker? What you say and what the police have said do not correlate.

g4ry13

19,928 posts

273 months

Yesterday (11:08)
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scenario8 said:
With reference to the description above of a video, is it clear there were terrorists (plural)? Sky news are speaking of a suspect (singular). They go on to say that person was shot. Presumably by the Police?

Irrespective of details what a terrible scene.
In the video there are a number of lifeless bodies (not clear on my screen whether they are all the terrorists). One starts getting up and the Police fire another shot.

I'm surprised the Police were on site all tooled up so quickly.

NerveAgent

3,695 posts

238 months

Yesterday (11:09)
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RedWhiteMonkey said:
Well, you say the footage shows the police shooting terrorists (plural) dead, yet the latest statement from GM Police is:

[i]"Police were called to the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue, on Middleton Road, Crumpsall, at 9.31am by a member of the public, stating he had witnessed a car being driven towards members of the public, and one man had been stabbed.

GMP declared PLATO and a major incident at 9.37am. Shots were fired by Greater Manchester Police firearms officers at 9.38am. One man has been shot, believed to be the offender.

Paramedics arrived at the scene at 9.41am and are tending to members of the public, currently four members of the public with injuries caused by both the vehicle and stab wounds.

Members of the public are asked to avoid the area while the police continue to deal with the incident."[/i]

Was there more than one attacker? What you say and what the police have said do not correlate.
The footage shows one person being shot and another person lying motionless in a pool of blood. (Presumably a victim)

Also are you getting me confused with someone else? I didn t say anything about number of attackers.

Edited by NerveAgent on Thursday 2nd October 11:18

g4ry13

19,928 posts

273 months

Yesterday (11:12)
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NerveAgent said:
RedWhiteMonkey said:
Well, you say the footage shows the police shooting terrorists (plural) dead, yet the latest statement from GM Police is:

[i]"Police were called to the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue, on Middleton Road, Crumpsall, at 9.31am by a member of the public, stating he had witnessed a car being driven towards members of the public, and one man had been stabbed.

GMP declared PLATO and a major incident at 9.37am. Shots were fired by Greater Manchester Police firearms officers at 9.38am. One man has been shot, believed to be the offender.

Paramedics arrived at the scene at 9.41am and are tending to members of the public, currently four members of the public with injuries caused by both the vehicle and stab wounds.

Members of the public are asked to avoid the area while the police continue to deal with the incident."[/i]

Was there more than one attacker? What you say and what the police have said do not correlate.
The footage shows one person being shot and another person lying motionless in a pool of blood.
The footage is a bit grainy but appeared there were some bodies next to the person who was shot. It looks like a number of dead people, i'm not sure why BBC says 'injured'.

Anyway....i'm off to the synagogue.

Earthdweller

Original Poster:

16,402 posts

144 months

Yesterday (11:15)
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NerveAgent said:
RedWhiteMonkey said:
Well, you say the footage shows the police shooting terrorists (plural) dead, yet the latest statement from GM Police is:

[i]"Police were called to the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue, on Middleton Road, Crumpsall, at 9.31am by a member of the public, stating he had witnessed a car being driven towards members of the public, and one man had been stabbed.

GMP declared PLATO and a major incident at 9.37am. Shots were fired by Greater Manchester Police firearms officers at 9.38am. One man has been shot, believed to be the offender.

Paramedics arrived at the scene at 9.41am and are tending to members of the public, currently four members of the public with injuries caused by both the vehicle and stab wounds.

Members of the public are asked to avoid the area while the police continue to deal with the incident."[/i]

Was there more than one attacker? What you say and what the police have said do not correlate.
The footage shows one person being shot and another person lying motionless in a pool of blood.
Not quite sure what point the Monkey above is trying to make

Being a pedant or a Pratt, calling the footage fake ?

These things are ALWAYS confused in initial stages

Whatever this is without doubt a very serious incident

gotoPzero

19,261 posts

207 months

Yesterday (11:20)
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Yards from where DC Stephen Oake was stabbed to death.

An area I know very, very well. I am not shocked. At all.

RedWhiteMonkey

7,997 posts

200 months

Yesterday (11:21)
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Earthdweller said:
Not quite sure what point the Monkey above is trying to make

Being a pedant or a Pratt, calling the footage fake ?

These things are ALWAYS confused in initial stages

Whatever this is without doubt a very serious incident
I think you may be over-reacting to my posts (or possibly misunderstanding my intent). I simply asked a genuine question to try to understand what has happened, it sounds horrific. I have not said what you watched was fake, I just queried it because you said multiple attackers and the police said one attacker. Trying to establish whether it is one or multiple attackers is hardly being a pedant (or a pratt if you really must resort to name calling), it is an entirely valid question to ask.

Gecko1978

11,838 posts

175 months

Yesterday (11:21)
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g4ry13 said:
scenario8 said:
With reference to the description above of a video, is it clear there were terrorists (plural)? Sky news are speaking of a suspect (singular). They go on to say that person was shot. Presumably by the Police?

Irrespective of details what a terrible scene.
In the video there are a number of lifeless bodies (not clear on my screen whether they are all the terrorists). One starts getting up and the Police fire another shot.

I'm surprised the Police were on site all tooled up so quickly.
That is what I saw either a victim dead on the pavement or another suspect. Then in side the gates a man tries to get up an appears to have a suicide vest on (may well ne fake) and is then shot multiple times


jan8p

1,809 posts

246 months

Yesterday (11:23)
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g4ry13 said:
scenario8 said:
With reference to the description above of a video, is it clear there were terrorists (plural)? Sky news are speaking of a suspect (singular). They go on to say that person was shot. Presumably by the Police?

Irrespective of details what a terrible scene.
In the video there are a number of lifeless bodies (not clear on my screen whether they are all the terrorists). One starts getting up and the Police fire another shot.

I'm surprised the Police were on site all tooled up so quickly.
AFOs are 'all tooled up' when they start work. It takes seconds to grab their rifle from their vehicle.

In a major city like Manchester, a 7 minute response time for ARVs is probably the norm.