Drone warfare
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Ayahuasca

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27,538 posts

298 months

Friday 3rd October
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‘Suspicious’ drones spotted over US / UK airbases in UK in November.

Unidentified drones closed down Copenhagen airport.

Flew in formation over sensitive German ports.

Closed down Munich airport.

Whether these are coordinated efforts by a nefarious foreign power (the most likely perhaps), a criminal organization, or nuisance hobbyists - they need to be stopped.

What can the West do about them?


WH16

7,670 posts

237 months

Friday 3rd October
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Treat them the same way as firearms.

Application, police interview, registration, regular inspections. Justifiable reason required for the possession of the bigger types (like a rifle), more relaxed rules for the <250g ones (like shotguns).

The problem is like firearms regulation this will only inconvenience law-abiding types, and criminals or state-actors will do as they please.

Murph7355

40,684 posts

275 months

Friday 3rd October
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Authorities/military need to step up anti-drone defences and get them deployed.

Freakuk

4,269 posts

170 months

Friday 3rd October
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I thought they'd put signal jammers around Heathrow/Gatwick after the other years issues, probably across all UK airports now. Should be simple enough for other countries.

Consumer drones (DJI etc) have regularly updated no-fly zones and your drone will either not take off if you are in a NFZ already or your drone will literally stop dead in the air as is there's an invisible wall preventing you going any further. However, I'd imagine as with all of these things there is a way for certain people to get around this feature. But signal jammers are the simple answer.

speedking31

3,767 posts

155 months

Friday 3rd October
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Freakuk said:
But signal jammers are the simple answer.
Fibre optic control.

GliderRider

2,841 posts

100 months

Friday 3rd October
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Ayahuasca said:
Suspicious drones spotted over US / UK airbases in UK in November.

Unidentified drones closed down Copenhagen airport.

Flew in formation over sensitive German ports.

Closed down Munich airport.

Whether these are coordinated efforts by a nefarious foreign power (the most likely perhaps), a criminal organization, or nuisance hobbyists - they need to be stopped.

What can the West do about them?
In answer to the bit in bold, very, very little.

A drone can be pre-programmed to fly circuits blocking approaches to an airport, or simply intimidating those at any other sort of facility. As one drone runs out of power, another can launch, triggered by a timer, completely without human intervention after the initial setting up. Any attempt to bring them down will be a pyrrhic victory as the debris from the means of attack is an additional hazard.

There may be a few 'nuisance hobbyists'; perhaps driven, as Charles Parsons was with Turbinia at the 1897 Spithead Review, to get those in authority to do something about the new technology, instead of keeping their heads in the sand, hoping it will go away. More likely though it is the nefarious foreign powers, although they may simply be paying native criminals to do their dirty work.

GliderRider

2,841 posts

100 months

Friday 3rd October
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Quite incredible with unauthorised/illegal drone activity in Europe, that this has been allowed to happen: Authority for DOJ & DOHS to intercept drones expires in USA

Panamax

7,386 posts

53 months

Friday 3rd October
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"So, some sort of net is probably in order." Edmund Blackadder

Just look at the pathetic efforts made in UK to try to keep contraband out of prisons.

gotoPzero

19,437 posts

208 months

Friday 3rd October
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Drones >100g are already regulated in the UK. You have to have at the very least a flyer ID.
I believe the police also have ways to deduce who owns the drone whilst its in the air, see where its been etc.

This is of course all totally useless because anyone slightly dodgy are not going to use a DJI off the shelf drone they are going to build their own and just ignore the rules.


Super Sonic

11,050 posts

73 months

Friday 3rd October
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Murph7355 said:
Authorities/military need to step up anti-drone defences and get them deployed.
This.

GliderRider

2,841 posts

100 months

Friday 3rd October
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Panamax said:
"So, some sort of net is probably in order." Edmund Blackadder

Just look at the pathetic efforts made in UK to try to keep contraband out of prisons.
Edmund Blackadder was spot on. Drone catchers such as LiveLink Aerospaces's Orion do net their prey, which does minimise the risk of foreign object debris (FOD) over airports and the like.



WH16

7,670 posts

237 months

Thursday 9th October
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Portofino

4,947 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th October
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I live near Gatwick & there was a film crew filming Location Location Location at a house opposite.

The film crew sent up a drone for the aerial shots I assume. Within a couple of minutes the Police arrived & got the filming stopped.

Impressive given I hardly ever see the Police & shows there must be monitoring going on.

rodericb

8,284 posts

145 months

Thursday 9th October
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What sort of drones are they talking about? Is someone going to blow a (hacked) DJI consumer drone with 100g of explosive on board out of the sky with that Rheinmetal anti aircraft tank? Or are these drones those airplane looking things with a two metre wingspan?

Portofino

4,947 posts

210 months

Thursday 9th October
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Think they are the little tiddlers. Wouldn’t even think Russia would have the front to fly proper military drones over these areas as would be an act of aggression.