Red light camera situation
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Hello 
I don t often post, but would appreciate opinions on a situation
Situation: 40 zone, approaching traffic lights, Red light camera (it s a gatso RLC36)
I m slowing down to 30, following the car in front which it goes through on green, and just as I m about to go through under the lights, it changes to amber.
Now in hindsight I should have gone through and likely be ok, but it was a snap decision dilemma, I was mindful of the camera, and amber is stop if safe to do so, I checked my mirror, vehicle behind was a long distance away so I slammed on the brakes while going past on amber. I stopped overshooting the line , maybe slightly in front of the line or possibly straddling it with most of the car past the line.
I was well short of the junction, and I should have stay put. Rather stupidly i thought I d pull back a bit so I immediately went into reverse and backed up about a metre which may have taken me a bit farther back straddling the line. A bit pointless and I shouldn t have done it but I did. I may have reversed before, or just after, the amber turned red. I didn't t go too far back as by that time the vehicle behind was approaching and it came to a stop just behind me. I then stayed stationary until it changed to green.
Summary:
Went through on amber just after it changed from green, stopped beyond the line, then reversed back a bit to straddle the line.
Question:
Can reversing back over the loop trigger the camera? And is that an offence? (I didn’t proceed over the line on red, but I may have receded under the line on red after proceeding over the line on amber.)
I am confident there can’t be sequential photos of me before and after the line on red, as I went through on amber. But if reversing triggers the loop, then it will show me over the line on red with reverse lights and at zero speed (or negative speed if reversing towards the camera ?) - would that imply that I had already passed before it turned red and was adjusting my position going backwards and not forwards?
Does someone manually review camera footage to verify an offence before a NIP is sent out?
I know, I ll just have to wait it out and see. I m hoping worse case scenario is a what s driving us course which the local police force / partnership does offer. I ll update with the outcome, as it may be helpful to others in a similar situation. I know it can be annoying when someone asks about a situation and there is no update with the outcome.
I don t often post, but would appreciate opinions on a situation Situation: 40 zone, approaching traffic lights, Red light camera (it s a gatso RLC36)
I m slowing down to 30, following the car in front which it goes through on green, and just as I m about to go through under the lights, it changes to amber.
Now in hindsight I should have gone through and likely be ok, but it was a snap decision dilemma, I was mindful of the camera, and amber is stop if safe to do so, I checked my mirror, vehicle behind was a long distance away so I slammed on the brakes while going past on amber. I stopped overshooting the line , maybe slightly in front of the line or possibly straddling it with most of the car past the line.
I was well short of the junction, and I should have stay put. Rather stupidly i thought I d pull back a bit so I immediately went into reverse and backed up about a metre which may have taken me a bit farther back straddling the line. A bit pointless and I shouldn t have done it but I did. I may have reversed before, or just after, the amber turned red. I didn't t go too far back as by that time the vehicle behind was approaching and it came to a stop just behind me. I then stayed stationary until it changed to green.
Summary:
Went through on amber just after it changed from green, stopped beyond the line, then reversed back a bit to straddle the line.
Question:
Can reversing back over the loop trigger the camera? And is that an offence? (I didn’t proceed over the line on red, but I may have receded under the line on red after proceeding over the line on amber.)
I am confident there can’t be sequential photos of me before and after the line on red, as I went through on amber. But if reversing triggers the loop, then it will show me over the line on red with reverse lights and at zero speed (or negative speed if reversing towards the camera ?) - would that imply that I had already passed before it turned red and was adjusting my position going backwards and not forwards?
Does someone manually review camera footage to verify an offence before a NIP is sent out?
I know, I ll just have to wait it out and see. I m hoping worse case scenario is a what s driving us course which the local police force / partnership does offer. I ll update with the outcome, as it may be helpful to others in a similar situation. I know it can be annoying when someone asks about a situation and there is no update with the outcome.
Edited by Goffriller on Wednesday 8th October 00:10
Edited by Goffriller on Wednesday 8th October 00:11
I doubt it knows which direction you’re travelling, so crossing the line probably triggers the camera. Presumably then it is reviewed (by a human or AI) to make sure you were actually crossing through and not just edged over as you came to a stop. In my simplistic mind, I doubt you’ll hear anything from the authorities.
Thanks. I m not entirely sure how these red light cameras work. I believe the gatso rlc36 is powered by the red light. so it can’t be triggered on green or amber. Is it correct that you have to go over the induction loop twice (both axles) for it to trigger? I m not sure if I reversed enough to do that, although it may be possible. I believe they take 2 photos, of the car before and after the line on red, and also record the speed to show that you were moving forwards, to evidence transgression.
SS2. said:
If no part of the vehicle proceeded beyond the stop line when the red light was showing, then no offence was committed.
But there's the problem, we don't really know what happened:Goffriller said:
I stopped overshooting the line , maybe slightly in front of the line or possibly straddling it with most of the car past the line.
Apparently, the OP "stopped overshooting the line", so your advice would be correct.But then he admits to being "slightly in front of the line" and then it changes to "straddling it with most of the car past the line".
If anything does come of this, OP, make sure you write any response clearly.
Sebring440 said:
SS2. said:
If no part of the vehicle proceeded beyond the stop line when the red light was showing, then no offence was committed.
But there's the problem, we don't really know what happened:Sebring440 said:
Apparently, the OP "stopped overshooting the line", so your advice would be correct.
But then he admits to being "slightly in front of the line" and then it changes to "straddling it with most of the car past the line".
Neither of which would represent an offence in itself, on the condition that no part of the vehicle proceeded beyond the stop-line whilst the red light was showing..But then he admits to being "slightly in front of the line" and then it changes to "straddling it with most of the car past the line".
Sebrig440 said:
If anything does come of this, OP, make sure you write any response clearly..
Agree that the devil tends to be in the detail.Yes sorry for confusion - to clarify, green to amber just as I was about to go under the lights, stupid snap decision to brake, stopped sharply past the stop line due to braking distance.
My stopped position wasn t far past the line, as I did not enter the junction, so the rear of the car might be close to the stop line. I then reversed back about a metre, which may have taken the rear of the car back under the line to straddle it. The vehicle behind me came to a normal stop behind me, so my car was either just in front of the line or just behind the line (after reversing).
What i did NOT do was go forward past the stop line on red. I went forward over the line on amber, stopped and then backwards on red to retreat from the junction. (Although in hindsight it was unnecessary as I was short of the junction anyway). If I m lucky it might still be amber when I reversed, as I went past going forward in the early phase of amber, as it had just changed from green).
In hindsight I should have just driven on through amber
My stopped position wasn t far past the line, as I did not enter the junction, so the rear of the car might be close to the stop line. I then reversed back about a metre, which may have taken the rear of the car back under the line to straddle it. The vehicle behind me came to a normal stop behind me, so my car was either just in front of the line or just behind the line (after reversing).
What i did NOT do was go forward past the stop line on red. I went forward over the line on amber, stopped and then backwards on red to retreat from the junction. (Although in hindsight it was unnecessary as I was short of the junction anyway). If I m lucky it might still be amber when I reversed, as I went past going forward in the early phase of amber, as it had just changed from green).
In hindsight I should have just driven on through amber
Edited by Goffriller on Wednesday 8th October 18:39
Edited by Goffriller on Wednesday 8th October 18:39
Goffriller said:
What i did NOT do was go forward past the stop line on red.
OK.Goffriller said:
I went forward over the line on amber, stopped and then backwards on red to retreat from the junction.
So, you were past the stop line when the light was red. You couldn't "go backwards on red" if you weren't "forward past the stop line".As I said earlier, if anything comes of this, get your story straight, clear and concise.
Sebring440 said:
So, you were past the stop line when the light was red. You couldn't "go backwards on red" if you weren't "forward past the stop line".
As I said earlier, if anything comes of this, get your story straight, clear and concise.
I went past on amber, as it changed from green.As I said earlier, if anything comes of this, get your story straight, clear and concise.
Braked sharply, came to a stop past the line.
The lights then change to red a second or two after I stopped. (AFTER I ve gone past).
The lights are now red.
I then reversed backwards under the line.
I hope that clarifies.
Edited by Goffriller on Thursday 9th October 12:32
BertBert said:
You went over the stop line on amber then came to a halt.
I can't see how anything can come of it. Why do you think it might?
I was wondering whether going backwards can trigger the camera / loop, and whether an offence is committed only when proceeding on red. I take it that proceeding means going forwards.I can't see how anything can come of it. Why do you think it might?
(Yes I would be rather surprised if something did come out of it, unless proceeding means going backwards as well as forwards.)
Edited by Goffriller on Thursday 9th October 12:39
Goffriller said:
Hello I don t often post, but would appreciate opinions on a situation
Situation: 40 zone, approaching traffic lights, Red light camera (it s a gatso RLC36)
I m slowing down to 30, following the car in front which it goes through on green, and just as I m about to go through under the lights, it changes to amber.
Now in hindsight I should have gone through and likely be ok, but it was a snap decision dilemma, I was mindful of the camera, and amber is stop if safe to do so, I checked my mirror, vehicle behind was a long distance away so I slammed on the brakes while going past on amber. I stopped overshooting the line , maybe slightly in front of the line or possibly straddling it with most of the car past the line.
I was well short of the junction, and I should have stay put. Rather stupidly i thought I d pull back a bit so I immediately went into reverse and backed up about a metre which may have taken me a bit farther back straddling the line. A bit pointless and I shouldn t have done it but I did. I may have reversed before, or just after, the amber turned red. I didn't t go too far back as by that time the vehicle behind was approaching and it came to a stop just behind me. I then stayed stationary until it changed to green.
Summary:
Went through on amber just after it changed from green, stopped beyond the line, then reversed back a bit to straddle the line.
Question:
Can reversing back over the loop trigger the camera? And is that an offence? (I didn t proceed over the line on red, but I may have receded under the line on red after proceeding over the line on amber.)
I am confident there can t be sequential photos of me before and after the line on red, as I went through on amber. But if reversing triggers the loop, then it will show me over the line on red with reverse lights and at zero speed (or negative speed if reversing towards the camera ?) - would that imply that I had already passed before it turned red and was adjusting my position going backwards and not forwards?
Does someone manually review camera footage to verify an offence before a NIP is sent out?
I know, I ll just have to wait it out and see. I m hoping worse case scenario is a what s driving us course which the local police force / partnership does offer. I ll update with the outcome, as it may be helpful to others in a similar situation. I know it can be annoying when someone asks about a situation and there is no update with the outcome.
This is the sort of thing I really dislike about driving. Genuine tiny mistake has you wondering if you’re about to be shafted. I don t often post, but would appreciate opinions on a situation Situation: 40 zone, approaching traffic lights, Red light camera (it s a gatso RLC36)
I m slowing down to 30, following the car in front which it goes through on green, and just as I m about to go through under the lights, it changes to amber.
Now in hindsight I should have gone through and likely be ok, but it was a snap decision dilemma, I was mindful of the camera, and amber is stop if safe to do so, I checked my mirror, vehicle behind was a long distance away so I slammed on the brakes while going past on amber. I stopped overshooting the line , maybe slightly in front of the line or possibly straddling it with most of the car past the line.
I was well short of the junction, and I should have stay put. Rather stupidly i thought I d pull back a bit so I immediately went into reverse and backed up about a metre which may have taken me a bit farther back straddling the line. A bit pointless and I shouldn t have done it but I did. I may have reversed before, or just after, the amber turned red. I didn't t go too far back as by that time the vehicle behind was approaching and it came to a stop just behind me. I then stayed stationary until it changed to green.
Summary:
Went through on amber just after it changed from green, stopped beyond the line, then reversed back a bit to straddle the line.
Question:
Can reversing back over the loop trigger the camera? And is that an offence? (I didn t proceed over the line on red, but I may have receded under the line on red after proceeding over the line on amber.)
I am confident there can t be sequential photos of me before and after the line on red, as I went through on amber. But if reversing triggers the loop, then it will show me over the line on red with reverse lights and at zero speed (or negative speed if reversing towards the camera ?) - would that imply that I had already passed before it turned red and was adjusting my position going backwards and not forwards?
Does someone manually review camera footage to verify an offence before a NIP is sent out?
I know, I ll just have to wait it out and see. I m hoping worse case scenario is a what s driving us course which the local police force / partnership does offer. I ll update with the outcome, as it may be helpful to others in a similar situation. I know it can be annoying when someone asks about a situation and there is no update with the outcome.
Edited by Goffriller on Wednesday 8th October 00:10
Edited by Goffriller on Wednesday 8th October 00:11
No one’s hurt or upset but if the stars align it can give you a heap of stress for no good reason.
The cameras are only set to trigger when the red light is shown and they used to have a threshold speed aswell so if both circumstances were met the camera would fire. It used to be 12-14mph but that may have changed now. Given what you have said , you`ll be fine. This is why sometimes you see Police or Ambulance go through a red at very slow speed and the cameras dont fire.
This got me wondering as many of us would have done 'reverse around a corner' as part of our driving test but looks like that is no longer tested.
Is there a rule that says you can't reverse around the corner at a junction with traffic lights? Someone could have a green light going one way and then decide to reverse around the corner and backing into the red light junction (assuming all this is with clear traffic of course!
Is there a rule that says you can't reverse around the corner at a junction with traffic lights? Someone could have a green light going one way and then decide to reverse around the corner and backing into the red light junction (assuming all this is with clear traffic of course!
RAB2000 said:
This got me wondering as many of us would have done 'reverse around a corner' as part of our driving test but looks like that is no longer tested.
Is there a rule that says you can't reverse around the corner at a junction with traffic lights? Someone could have a green light going one way and then decide to reverse around the corner and backing into the red light junction (assuming all this is with clear traffic of course!
That's an interesting question. Well, there's https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regu... for a start. But let's say the reverse was necessary.Is there a rule that says you can't reverse around the corner at a junction with traffic lights? Someone could have a green light going one way and then decide to reverse around the corner and backing into the red light junction (assuming all this is with clear traffic of course!
I can't think of a single instance when I've needed to reverse into somewhere, perhaps to turn, and the place I've chosen to do it is 1) sufficiently quiet to allow it without hindering other traffic, 2) also controlled by traffic lights. And that includes many years of driving large 7.5t trucks into housing estates 'because its possible' and the office have given no consideration of sending a more suitably-sized small van, for example, to deliver it. And it includes a number of instances where the reverse wasn't really on, but for a 2nd man able to stop traffic, without it being a traffic-light-controlled junction.
Goffriller said:
Hello I don t often post, but would appreciate opinions on a situation
Situation: 40 zone, approaching traffic lights, Red light camera (it s a gatso RLC36)
I m slowing down to 30, following the car in front which it goes through on green, and just as I m about to go through under the lights, it changes to amber.
Now in hindsight I should have gone through and likely be ok, but it was a snap decision dilemma, I was mindful of the camera, and amber is stop if safe to do so, I checked my mirror, vehicle behind was a long distance away so I slammed on the brakes while going past on amber. I stopped overshooting the line , maybe slightly in front of the line or possibly straddling it with most of the car past the line.
I was well short of the junction, and I should have stay put. Rather stupidly i thought I d pull back a bit so I immediately went into reverse and backed up about a metre which may have taken me a bit farther back straddling the line. A bit pointless and I shouldn t have done it but I did. I may have reversed before, or just after, the amber turned red. I didn't t go too far back as by that time the vehicle behind was approaching and it came to a stop just behind me. I then stayed stationary until it changed to green.
Summary:
Went through on amber just after it changed from green, stopped beyond the line, then reversed back a bit to straddle the line.
Question:
Can reversing back over the loop trigger the camera? And is that an offence? (I didn t proceed over the line on red, but I may have receded under the line on red after proceeding over the line on amber.)
I am confident there can t be sequential photos of me before and after the line on red, as I went through on amber. But if reversing triggers the loop, then it will show me over the line on red with reverse lights and at zero speed (or negative speed if reversing towards the camera ?) - would that imply that I had already passed before it turned red and was adjusting my position going backwards and not forwards?
Does someone manually review camera footage to verify an offence before a NIP is sent out?
I know, I ll just have to wait it out and see. I m hoping worse case scenario is a what s driving us course which the local police force / partnership does offer. I ll update with the outcome, as it may be helpful to others in a similar situation. I know it can be annoying when someone asks about a situation and there is no update with the outcome.
It will detect that you were moving in the wrong direction to commit an offence. I don t often post, but would appreciate opinions on a situation Situation: 40 zone, approaching traffic lights, Red light camera (it s a gatso RLC36)
I m slowing down to 30, following the car in front which it goes through on green, and just as I m about to go through under the lights, it changes to amber.
Now in hindsight I should have gone through and likely be ok, but it was a snap decision dilemma, I was mindful of the camera, and amber is stop if safe to do so, I checked my mirror, vehicle behind was a long distance away so I slammed on the brakes while going past on amber. I stopped overshooting the line , maybe slightly in front of the line or possibly straddling it with most of the car past the line.
I was well short of the junction, and I should have stay put. Rather stupidly i thought I d pull back a bit so I immediately went into reverse and backed up about a metre which may have taken me a bit farther back straddling the line. A bit pointless and I shouldn t have done it but I did. I may have reversed before, or just after, the amber turned red. I didn't t go too far back as by that time the vehicle behind was approaching and it came to a stop just behind me. I then stayed stationary until it changed to green.
Summary:
Went through on amber just after it changed from green, stopped beyond the line, then reversed back a bit to straddle the line.
Question:
Can reversing back over the loop trigger the camera? And is that an offence? (I didn t proceed over the line on red, but I may have receded under the line on red after proceeding over the line on amber.)
I am confident there can t be sequential photos of me before and after the line on red, as I went through on amber. But if reversing triggers the loop, then it will show me over the line on red with reverse lights and at zero speed (or negative speed if reversing towards the camera ?) - would that imply that I had already passed before it turned red and was adjusting my position going backwards and not forwards?
Does someone manually review camera footage to verify an offence before a NIP is sent out?
I know, I ll just have to wait it out and see. I m hoping worse case scenario is a what s driving us course which the local police force / partnership does offer. I ll update with the outcome, as it may be helpful to others in a similar situation. I know it can be annoying when someone asks about a situation and there is no update with the outcome.
Edited by Goffriller on Wednesday 8th October 00:10
Edited by Goffriller on Wednesday 8th October 00:11
stressd said:
I doubt it knows which direction you re travelling, so crossing the line probably triggers the camera. Presumably then it is reviewed (by a human or AI) to make sure you were actually crossing through and not just edged over as you came to a stop. In my simplistic mind, I doubt you ll hear anything from the authorities.
Doubt, presumably,probably,doubt…If you don’t know then try to avoid giving advice perhaps.
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