Arrest for domestic violence
Discussion
LesXRN said:
This is a question for my fellow Police Officers, albeit I'm now retired and have been for a good few years.
This is a very accurate scenario for the sake of doubt.
For the record, this concerns the Leigh, Manchester devision.
A couple of weeks ago our lad went out for a few beers and doesn't remember coming back home, that in itself is odd as he doesn't drink much as a rule and never has. Once back home he got into a bit of a tiff with his fiancee of 10 years and gave her a shove as he went through the lounge door. She staggered and hit her face on the door edge which resulted in a black eye. He went off to bed and she presented herself to hospital as a result, but it was just a minor bump. There was no malice intended but that was the result, although she did have a black eye.
She decided that she would stay at her mum's for a few days to assess what had happened. At no point did she make a complaint to the Police. Maybe the nurses made a note, or maybe reported it!
A few days later, her sister made a complaint to the Police regarding an incident of domestic violence. That was against her own wishes.
Yesterday, the Police attended his house, with blue lights flashing. The first officer, a younge female, jumped over the driveway gates, albeit only a metre high, and began hammering on the front door. This is all on video. Our lad opened the door and was told that he was under arrest for domestic violence. He is on med's for depression at the moment and taking sleeping med's to help. Subsequently 2 other female officers attended who were quite laid back and sat either side of him whilst the first officer walked around talking aggressively. He seemed to think that she was trying to get a reaction from him. It didn't work!
This female officer also decided to search the house, Her excuse being, in case there was anyone else present, our lads young son was due home imminently as it happened. No thought was given by the officers to that fact. Why search the house? No formal complaint had been made and the aggressed party had not contacted the Police. Nor had the Police spoken to her.
Although he was quite calm and also explained that he was considering going to the nick to report what he had done, the female officer was quite aggresive towards him, although two other officers seemed quite at ease. He asked if he could get changed from his pyjamas into normal clothing but was told he couldn't as they were all female officers and they woud have to be present. He insisted and eventually a male officer turned up, also on blue lights. Bizarre, as it's a decent residential area and not scrotesville.
The first female officer then insisted that he was handcuffed in the house before being put in the van. Our lad objected, he's a proud sort and worried about what his neighbours would think, so, she relented and said she would cuff him in the van. For the record, he's never been in bother and runs a very legit business.
On the way from the house to the van, she grabbed the key pad on the electric gates and yanked the cover off, saying, "Oh, that's come off".
She then left it to the van crew and drove off with the blue's still flashing.
At the nick, In interview, he got the duty brief who said 'just say no comment'. He refused her advice and stated exactly what had transpired. In effect, he told the truth and nothing but!
The end result was no further action. That was after being in the cell for 17 hours. Really!!!
So, fellow officers, in these days is a situation like this worthy or normal to pitch up at a residential address with blues flashing and further more is it normal to do so without at least speaking to the injured party first, whom as it happens, has and won't make a formal complaint as they are now back together as of today?
As for the first female cop damaging the gate keypad seeming deliberately, that's criminal damage and sheer b
hiness and worthy of a formal complaint to the force in my opinion.
I'm fully aware of domestics, been there, seen it, done it, it's the bane of most cops lives as we know and as I always used to say to the female, if it's as bad as you say, why don't you leave him. But we all know what happens don't we! NFA.
So, what's the verdict? 17 hours in a cell for a complete waste of Police time and a Cop seemingly on a Starsky & Hutch power trip. In my day she wouldn't have lasted a minute, mind you, if they were good looking, they usually got a job on squad!.
This is a very accurate scenario for the sake of doubt.
For the record, this concerns the Leigh, Manchester devision.
A couple of weeks ago our lad went out for a few beers and doesn't remember coming back home, that in itself is odd as he doesn't drink much as a rule and never has. Once back home he got into a bit of a tiff with his fiancee of 10 years and gave her a shove as he went through the lounge door. She staggered and hit her face on the door edge which resulted in a black eye. He went off to bed and she presented herself to hospital as a result, but it was just a minor bump. There was no malice intended but that was the result, although she did have a black eye.
She decided that she would stay at her mum's for a few days to assess what had happened. At no point did she make a complaint to the Police. Maybe the nurses made a note, or maybe reported it!
A few days later, her sister made a complaint to the Police regarding an incident of domestic violence. That was against her own wishes.
Yesterday, the Police attended his house, with blue lights flashing. The first officer, a younge female, jumped over the driveway gates, albeit only a metre high, and began hammering on the front door. This is all on video. Our lad opened the door and was told that he was under arrest for domestic violence. He is on med's for depression at the moment and taking sleeping med's to help. Subsequently 2 other female officers attended who were quite laid back and sat either side of him whilst the first officer walked around talking aggressively. He seemed to think that she was trying to get a reaction from him. It didn't work!
This female officer also decided to search the house, Her excuse being, in case there was anyone else present, our lads young son was due home imminently as it happened. No thought was given by the officers to that fact. Why search the house? No formal complaint had been made and the aggressed party had not contacted the Police. Nor had the Police spoken to her.
Although he was quite calm and also explained that he was considering going to the nick to report what he had done, the female officer was quite aggresive towards him, although two other officers seemed quite at ease. He asked if he could get changed from his pyjamas into normal clothing but was told he couldn't as they were all female officers and they woud have to be present. He insisted and eventually a male officer turned up, also on blue lights. Bizarre, as it's a decent residential area and not scrotesville.
The first female officer then insisted that he was handcuffed in the house before being put in the van. Our lad objected, he's a proud sort and worried about what his neighbours would think, so, she relented and said she would cuff him in the van. For the record, he's never been in bother and runs a very legit business.
On the way from the house to the van, she grabbed the key pad on the electric gates and yanked the cover off, saying, "Oh, that's come off".
She then left it to the van crew and drove off with the blue's still flashing.
At the nick, In interview, he got the duty brief who said 'just say no comment'. He refused her advice and stated exactly what had transpired. In effect, he told the truth and nothing but!
The end result was no further action. That was after being in the cell for 17 hours. Really!!!
So, fellow officers, in these days is a situation like this worthy or normal to pitch up at a residential address with blues flashing and further more is it normal to do so without at least speaking to the injured party first, whom as it happens, has and won't make a formal complaint as they are now back together as of today?
As for the first female cop damaging the gate keypad seeming deliberately, that's criminal damage and sheer b
hiness and worthy of a formal complaint to the force in my opinion.I'm fully aware of domestics, been there, seen it, done it, it's the bane of most cops lives as we know and as I always used to say to the female, if it's as bad as you say, why don't you leave him. But we all know what happens don't we! NFA.
So, what's the verdict? 17 hours in a cell for a complete waste of Police time and a Cop seemingly on a Starsky & Hutch power trip. In my day she wouldn't have lasted a minute, mind you, if they were good looking, they usually got a job on squad!.
LesXRN said:
This is a question for my fellow Police Officers, albeit I'm now retired and have been for a good few years.
This is a very accurate scenario for the sake of doubt.
For the record, this concerns the Leigh, Manchester devision.
A couple of weeks ago our lad went out for a few beers and doesn't remember coming back home, that in itself is odd as he doesn't drink much as a rule and never has. Once back home he got into a bit of a tiff with his fiancee of 10 years and gave her a shove as he went through the lounge door. She staggered and hit her face on the door edge which resulted in a black eye. He went off to bed and she presented herself to hospital as a result, but it was just a minor bump. There was no malice intended but that was the result, although she did have a black eye.
She decided that she would stay at her mum's for a few days to assess what had happened. At no point did she make a complaint to the Police. Maybe the nurses made a note, or maybe reported it!
A few days later, her sister made a complaint to the Police regarding an incident of domestic violence. That was against her own wishes.
Yesterday, the Police attended his house, with blue lights flashing. The first officer, a younge female, jumped over the driveway gates, albeit only a metre high, and began hammering on the front door. This is all on video. Our lad opened the door and was told that he was under arrest for domestic violence. He is on med's for depression at the moment and taking sleeping med's to help. Subsequently 2 other female officers attended who were quite laid back and sat either side of him whilst the first officer walked around talking aggressively. He seemed to think that she was trying to get a reaction from him. It didn't work!
This female officer also decided to search the house, Her excuse being, in case there was anyone else present, our lads young son was due home imminently as it happened. No thought was given by the officers to that fact. Why search the house? No formal complaint had been made and the aggressed party had not contacted the Police. Nor had the Police spoken to her.
Although he was quite calm and also explained that he was considering going to the nick to report what he had done, the female officer was quite aggresive towards him, although two other officers seemed quite at ease. He asked if he could get changed from his pyjamas into normal clothing but was told he couldn't as they were all female officers and they woud have to be present. He insisted and eventually a male officer turned up, also on blue lights. Bizarre, as it's a decent residential area and not scrotesville.
The first female officer then insisted that he was handcuffed in the house before being put in the van. Our lad objected, he's a proud sort and worried about what his neighbours would think, so, she relented and said she would cuff him in the van. For the record, he's never been in bother and runs a very legit business.
On the way from the house to the van, she grabbed the key pad on the electric gates and yanked the cover off, saying, "Oh, that's come off".
She then left it to the van crew and drove off with the blue's still flashing.
At the nick, In interview, he got the duty brief who said 'just say no comment'. He refused her advice and stated exactly what had transpired. In effect, he told the truth and nothing but!
The end result was no further action. That was after being in the cell for 17 hours. Really!!!
So, fellow officers, in these days is a situation like this worthy or normal to pitch up at a residential address with blues flashing and further more is it normal to do so without at least speaking to the injured party first, whom as it happens, has and won't make a formal complaint as they are now back together as of today?
As for the first female cop damaging the gate keypad seeming deliberately, that's criminal damage and sheer bhiness and worthy of a formal complaint to the force in my opinion.
I'm fully aware of domestics, been there, seen it, done it, it's the bane of most cops lives as we know and as I always used to say to the female, if it's as bad as you say, why don't you leave him. But we all know what happens don't we! NFA.
So, what's the verdict? 17 hours in a cell for a complete waste of Police time and a Cop seemingly on a Starsky & Hutch power trip. In my day she wouldn't have lasted a minute, mind you, if they were good looking, they usually got a job on squad!.
That’s an utterly cringeworthy post. I too am also relieved to hear you’re no longer serving.This is a very accurate scenario for the sake of doubt.
For the record, this concerns the Leigh, Manchester devision.
A couple of weeks ago our lad went out for a few beers and doesn't remember coming back home, that in itself is odd as he doesn't drink much as a rule and never has. Once back home he got into a bit of a tiff with his fiancee of 10 years and gave her a shove as he went through the lounge door. She staggered and hit her face on the door edge which resulted in a black eye. He went off to bed and she presented herself to hospital as a result, but it was just a minor bump. There was no malice intended but that was the result, although she did have a black eye.
She decided that she would stay at her mum's for a few days to assess what had happened. At no point did she make a complaint to the Police. Maybe the nurses made a note, or maybe reported it!
A few days later, her sister made a complaint to the Police regarding an incident of domestic violence. That was against her own wishes.
Yesterday, the Police attended his house, with blue lights flashing. The first officer, a younge female, jumped over the driveway gates, albeit only a metre high, and began hammering on the front door. This is all on video. Our lad opened the door and was told that he was under arrest for domestic violence. He is on med's for depression at the moment and taking sleeping med's to help. Subsequently 2 other female officers attended who were quite laid back and sat either side of him whilst the first officer walked around talking aggressively. He seemed to think that she was trying to get a reaction from him. It didn't work!
This female officer also decided to search the house, Her excuse being, in case there was anyone else present, our lads young son was due home imminently as it happened. No thought was given by the officers to that fact. Why search the house? No formal complaint had been made and the aggressed party had not contacted the Police. Nor had the Police spoken to her.
Although he was quite calm and also explained that he was considering going to the nick to report what he had done, the female officer was quite aggresive towards him, although two other officers seemed quite at ease. He asked if he could get changed from his pyjamas into normal clothing but was told he couldn't as they were all female officers and they woud have to be present. He insisted and eventually a male officer turned up, also on blue lights. Bizarre, as it's a decent residential area and not scrotesville.
The first female officer then insisted that he was handcuffed in the house before being put in the van. Our lad objected, he's a proud sort and worried about what his neighbours would think, so, she relented and said she would cuff him in the van. For the record, he's never been in bother and runs a very legit business.
On the way from the house to the van, she grabbed the key pad on the electric gates and yanked the cover off, saying, "Oh, that's come off".
She then left it to the van crew and drove off with the blue's still flashing.
At the nick, In interview, he got the duty brief who said 'just say no comment'. He refused her advice and stated exactly what had transpired. In effect, he told the truth and nothing but!
The end result was no further action. That was after being in the cell for 17 hours. Really!!!
So, fellow officers, in these days is a situation like this worthy or normal to pitch up at a residential address with blues flashing and further more is it normal to do so without at least speaking to the injured party first, whom as it happens, has and won't make a formal complaint as they are now back together as of today?
As for the first female cop damaging the gate keypad seeming deliberately, that's criminal damage and sheer b
hiness and worthy of a formal complaint to the force in my opinion.I'm fully aware of domestics, been there, seen it, done it, it's the bane of most cops lives as we know and as I always used to say to the female, if it's as bad as you say, why don't you leave him. But we all know what happens don't we! NFA.
So, what's the verdict? 17 hours in a cell for a complete waste of Police time and a Cop seemingly on a Starsky & Hutch power trip. In my day she wouldn't have lasted a minute, mind you, if they were good looking, they usually got a job on squad!.
I'm nothing to do with the police, but I feel obliged to say, no real man would shove a woman like that. And for her to end up with a black eye, that is some "shove", I'm not even sure I buy that it was just a shove.
Surprised at no further action to be honest.
All violence is intolerable, but "men" doing this to women particularly so.
Not sorry,
Scott
Surprised at no further action to be honest.
All violence is intolerable, but "men" doing this to women particularly so.
Not sorry,
Scott
GasEngineer said:
This is what happens often on PH.
Nobody has commented on or even referred to the OP's questions about the actions and manner of the police officers attending and arresting his son.
It's just personal attacks on the OP and his son and supposition about "what really happened".
There is no supposition.Nobody has commented on or even referred to the OP's questions about the actions and manner of the police officers attending and arresting his son.
It's just personal attacks on the OP and his son and supposition about "what really happened".
It's clearly stated that the guy pushed his fiance hard enough that she got a black eye, and it was bad enough that she had to go to A&E.
GasEngineer said:
This is what happens often on PH.
Nobody has commented on or even referred to the OP's questions about the actions and manner of the police officers attending and arresting his son.
It's just personal attacks on the OP and his son and supposition about "what really happened".
Correct. If your son is that bothered about the damage to the keypad, get him to report it. Nobody has commented on or even referred to the OP's questions about the actions and manner of the police officers attending and arresting his son.
It's just personal attacks on the OP and his son and supposition about "what really happened".
However, every action creates a chain reaction. If your son wasn’t on medication and out drinking, he wouldn’t have come home blotto, the door wouldn’t have hit his fiancée, she wouldn’t have a black eye, and the Police would never have attended in the first place place.
So your son is to blame for all of this. Yet he’s now the victim.
Welcome to modern Britain.
PS, any pics of the hot PC jumping the gate?
Statistics on Domestic Violence show that a number of incidents will typically occur before a victim will eventually go to the Police and make a first report.
Police will pursue a prosecution without a statement of complaint if there is other evidence present such as proof of injury and a third party report.
The Hospital have a duty to report any cases to the Police where a possible victim presents themselves with injuries and they think a crime has been committed, they have safeguarding policies in place.
The Police do not make decisions on charging for Domestic Violence offences they build a file for the CPS whilst the suspect is in custody for the CPS to consider so 17 hours is not unreasonable.
The majority of murders in this country are where the victim and suspect know each other, the majority of those will have a domestic element, when a killing happens there will be a review of the victim and suspects previous involvement with the Police and any incidents of a Domestic nature will be deeply scrutinised to see if any action could have been taken at that point to prevent a killing further down the line, Police are understandably cautious to do everything possible.
I wrote a much more comprehensive post but then the OP deleted their post so I doubt they will read this in any case.
Police will pursue a prosecution without a statement of complaint if there is other evidence present such as proof of injury and a third party report.
The Hospital have a duty to report any cases to the Police where a possible victim presents themselves with injuries and they think a crime has been committed, they have safeguarding policies in place.
The Police do not make decisions on charging for Domestic Violence offences they build a file for the CPS whilst the suspect is in custody for the CPS to consider so 17 hours is not unreasonable.
The majority of murders in this country are where the victim and suspect know each other, the majority of those will have a domestic element, when a killing happens there will be a review of the victim and suspects previous involvement with the Police and any incidents of a Domestic nature will be deeply scrutinised to see if any action could have been taken at that point to prevent a killing further down the line, Police are understandably cautious to do everything possible.
I wrote a much more comprehensive post but then the OP deleted their post so I doubt they will read this in any case.
GasEngineer said:
This is what happens often on PH.
Nobody has commented on or even referred to the OP's questions about the actions and manner of the police officers attending and arresting his son.
It's just personal attacks on the OP and his son and supposition about "what really happened".
To be fair, the OP's attitude to women towards the end of the post was practically asking for (and deserving of) such responses. Nobody has commented on or even referred to the OP's questions about the actions and manner of the police officers attending and arresting his son.
It's just personal attacks on the OP and his son and supposition about "what really happened".
Hi op, not sure if the story you heard is reliable but
- yes he was provoked by police (you seen in video)
- perhaps he was provoked by fiancé
- clearly your son is unreliable for the story as he doesnt remember/pretends not to remember what happened AND he doesnt listen to advice provided
As far as the story goes:
- she might have given herself the black eye if there is the financial and/or other motivation to do it
- when you shove anyone you can cause little or lots of damage
- the chance of causing black eye from shoving is slim relative to other scenarios
From here onwards your child will be target practise for women. Every time his partner has an accident he will be questioned by police. Fair or no - he will have some consequence going forward.
I am sorry you are going through this, no man wants to deal with his son going through this. You will need to deal with the situation going forward and will need to guide him how to do better. Will be difficult if he is dishonest. Do you know what is going on in the relationship and so on. I guess not. I hope he doesnt spiral but learns a lesson
- yes he was provoked by police (you seen in video)
- perhaps he was provoked by fiancé
- clearly your son is unreliable for the story as he doesnt remember/pretends not to remember what happened AND he doesnt listen to advice provided
As far as the story goes:
- she might have given herself the black eye if there is the financial and/or other motivation to do it
- when you shove anyone you can cause little or lots of damage
- the chance of causing black eye from shoving is slim relative to other scenarios
From here onwards your child will be target practise for women. Every time his partner has an accident he will be questioned by police. Fair or no - he will have some consequence going forward.
I am sorry you are going through this, no man wants to deal with his son going through this. You will need to deal with the situation going forward and will need to guide him how to do better. Will be difficult if he is dishonest. Do you know what is going on in the relationship and so on. I guess not. I hope he doesnt spiral but learns a lesson
So your son has gone out, got pissed, come home, had a argument with his partner, she (somehow) got a black eye, police get involved, and he gets away scot free?
I'd say that's a result for him TBH. It's not a result for his partner though, who knows exactly what actually happened.
If the muppet is more bothered about his keypad than her face tell him to crack on and report and see how it plays out.
I'd say that's a result for him TBH. It's not a result for his partner though, who knows exactly what actually happened.
If the muppet is more bothered about his keypad than her face tell him to crack on and report and see how it plays out.
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