Is this a roundabout?

[Frane Selak]

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4461011,-2.31097...

I say no, no keep left arrows, no give ways at the entrance, no signs beforehand saying its a roundabout etc. It used to be a dual carriageway with two lanes in each direction and the road on the left was just a give way, but there has been major redevelopments to the building and the loony leftie council has followed the loony leftie script and turned the area into a toy town you see everywhere now.

As far as I can work out the vehicles going straight on have priority over people turning right into that side road/car park but even google maps says "take the second exit on the roundabout"

[Alex Z]

It doesn't look like it complies with all the road signage requirements, but whatever the legal position is, if you didn't treat it as such you'll be in an accident pretty quickly.

[InitialDave]

Alex Z said:

It doesn't look like it complies with all the road signage requirements, but whatever the legal position is, if you didn't treat it as such you'll be in an accident pretty quickly.

This.

I would treat it as a roundabout, because it looks like one.

[E-bmw]

Personally I would say as there is a solid white line round it it should be treated as a roundabout as a solid white line across the flow of traffic generally means "stop/give way".

Whether that qualifies it as a roundabout I wouldn't like to say but in reality if you treat it like one you can't go far wrong.

[OutInTheShed]

E-bmw said:

Personally I would say as there is a solid white line round it it should be treated as a roundabout as a solid white line across the flow of traffic generally means "stop/give way".

Whether that qualifies it as a roundabout I wouldn't like to say but in reality if you treat it like one you can't go far wrong.

If you assume it is a roundabout, and thus assume you have priority to turn right, you can go fairly far wrong if the person you're expecting to give way to you sees it differently.

[Yellow Lizud]

I would agree with the three previous posts, however not everyone will treat it as a roundabout. It just looks extremely fking dangerous to me.

It really does annoy me when councils think they are better than the legally recognised signs/layout and come up with bizarre creations like this.

[Juan B]

I think most people would treat it as one because of the solid white line

This by us is pretty confusing though

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3999591,-3.0215554...

[paul_c123]

Alex Z said:

It doesn't look like it complies with all the road signage requirements, but whatever the legal position is, if you didn't treat it as such you'll be in an accident pretty quickly.

Give ways need to be dashed in the UK according to the regulations, for that reason its not marked correctly and the local authority could be subject to legal action eg if there was a collision and the markings deemed contributory. Everything else (except for the circle/feature/paint in the middle) is optional on a mini roundabout

[Frane Selak]

Juan B said:

I think most people would treat it as one because of the solid white line

This by us is pretty confusing though

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3999591,-3.0215554...

That's even crazier as it has what looks like zebra crossings into the mix as well. I think the councils thinking is if no-one, drivers or pedestrians have a clue what's supposed to be going on they will take extra care, where as the reality is pedestrians become omelettes as everyone is confused.

[Frane Selak]

paul_c123 said:

Give ways need to be dashed in the UK according to the regulations, for that reason its not marked correctly and the local authority could be subject to legal action eg if there was a collision and the markings deemed contributory. Everything else (except for the circle/feature/paint in the middle) is optional on a mini roundabout

does it not need a mini roundabout sign on approach though, even the magic roundabout has these.


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/The+Magic+Roun...

[AB]

Juan B said:

I think most people would treat it as one because of the solid white line

This by us is pretty confusing though

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3999591,-3.0215554...

I immediately thought of this one when I saw the thread. Used to drive over it every day when my office was in Birkenhead. I think it's there to confused people into slowing down and being aware.

[E-bmw]

OutInTheShed said:

E-bmw said:

Personally I would say as there is a solid white line round it it should be treated as a roundabout as a solid white line across the flow of traffic generally means "stop/give way".

Whether that qualifies it as a roundabout I wouldn't like to say but in reality if you treat it like one you can't go far wrong.

If you assume it is a roundabout, and thus assume you have priority to turn right, you can go fairly far wrong if the person you're expecting to give way to you sees it differently.

Which is true of ANY roundabout ANYWHERE in the country.

[Glassman]

I think they're trying to be creative, like this one in Ponders End, an area where traffic rules don't apply to the locals.




https://maps.app.goo.gl/HkHf2H78aQh5kBURA

[InitialDave]

E-bmw said:

Which is true of ANY roundabout ANYWHERE in the country.

I think in this case, the argument is that it would be because of misunderstanding as to whether or not it's a roundabout.

Whereas in other cases, it's not in dispute that it's a roundabout, but the issue is sharing the road with people who are often stupid and obstinate about how they negotiate any road feature that involves interaction with others.

[Debaser]

It looks like a mess. If they want it to be a roundabout, make it a roundabout.

[Gnits]

It doesn't have painted white lines. Not a roundabout.
If it is, then why spend thousands of pounds across the country on painting white lines when they are obviously not needed.

[DaveH23]

Reminds me of some open square type spaces we have in some new build estates near us.

No road markings and nobody has any idea who has right of way.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/vQ4dGkUCwu1gKguG9?g_st=ac

You do get a feel for main road with 2 side streets if you know the area but left like this for nearly 5+ years see's some pretty interesting encounters.

[Fastdruid]

There are two "similar" ones near me, again as part of a retail area. One is only marked out in brick. No paint, no give way lines or signs, no roundabout signs at all.

The other is larger, also brick but has a dotted line round the "roundabout" and zebra style crossings across every road approximately 5m before it. I say "zebra style" because like the roundabouts they're not compliant.

My presumption is that the land is "private", they're intended to be what they look like. I wonder if they're designed _to_ cause confusion, ie to make people slow down.

[PaulD86]

Frane Selak said:

the loony leftie council has followed the loony leftie script and turned the area into a toy town you see everywhere now.

The plans were first proposed in 2018 when the council had a Conservative leader and when it Council was Conservative controlled. The council then had a short period of no overall party control then went Labour. So, to clarify, are you saying the Conservative led council was "loony leftie" or is your issue that the Labour council did not stop the plans developed during the Conservative tenure?

On the road design. It's a mess. My view as a roads engineer.

[Super Sonic]

I guess if it looks like a roundabout, and everyone else treats it like a roundabout, the best way to avoid an incident is to treat it like a roundabout.