Effect of Chinese imports on GB prices
Discussion
Noticed that the popular press are now drawing more attention to Chinese cars. Near to home, a neighbour has replaced an Evoque with the BYD equivalent and is very pleased with it, not least because it was ‘ half price’. Now, do we assume that this phenomenon will force European prices down or that Chinese will simply increase prices, as in the case of Japanese and Korean imports which have become more or less mainstream?
Not going to do anything
Saved money on a Land Rover is all talk. They wouldn t buy them anyway. Not with the reputation damage LR have done on lower end models (timing chain, thefts)
If anything it’s taking drivers away from Astras, mondeos, fiestas and Citroens.
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Saved money on a Land Rover is all talk. They wouldn t buy them anyway. Not with the reputation damage LR have done on lower end models (timing chain, thefts)
If anything it’s taking drivers away from Astras, mondeos, fiestas and Citroens.
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Edited by smallpaul on Sunday 12th October 18:30
stevemcs said:
It will push some European companies out of business, then all manufacturing will end up in china and the rest of the world will build nothing. China will rule the world without driving a tank down the high street.
I don t see it as a good thing.
A lot of franchised dealers have realized this and are selling Chinese Junks, not come across as many warranty claims for them yet, only had to recover one, that was down to a failed, or failure by who parked it, 12v battery on a hybrid. Early days though. I don t see it as a good thing.
The prices of new cars is mental in the UK now, so not surprised, especially as lots of them are offering 0% finance.
I do wonder what the long term reliability is like though, and the depreciation probably means it will be more expensive unless you drive it until it dies (which is an unknown length of time currently)
I expect Chinese cars will get better and better and eventually be virtually no cheaper than a European car in 5 years time.
I do wonder what the long term reliability is like though, and the depreciation probably means it will be more expensive unless you drive it until it dies (which is an unknown length of time currently)
I expect Chinese cars will get better and better and eventually be virtually no cheaper than a European car in 5 years time.
Note the likes of Jaecoo and Chery who sell normal engined and hybrid stuff alongside their electric offerings at prices that look considerably cheaper than Euro equivalents.
How they stack up longevity wise remains to be seen but it seems the Chinese seem to have bypassed the traditional cheap rehashed last generation stuff to gain a foothold like Hyundai and Kia went through when they entered the market and gone straight for a fairly polished looking offering.
How they stack up longevity wise remains to be seen but it seems the Chinese seem to have bypassed the traditional cheap rehashed last generation stuff to gain a foothold like Hyundai and Kia went through when they entered the market and gone straight for a fairly polished looking offering.
LivLL said:
What's the BYD equivalent of an Evoque? I could be mistaken but I thought they were electric cars.
Not all Chinese cars or EV or Hybrid.What makes me laugh is how they use old VW and GM etc engines, that the big boys spent billions replacing to meet emission red tape, with mostly made of chocolate s
te, and the old reliable things are perfectly good in a Chinese car. I can assure you the chinese will replace european manufacturers in uk and eastern europe. Ita all about the price. Once they invade Taiwan and then we cannot put sanctions on them due to costs on the economy.
Our auto industry will go down the drain but all of us will be worse off. I wonder how other industries felt once manufacturing of everything started moving to china….
Bottom line is that if you pay salaries in UK you cannot compete with China.
Our auto industry will go down the drain but all of us will be worse off. I wonder how other industries felt once manufacturing of everything started moving to china….
Bottom line is that if you pay salaries in UK you cannot compete with China.
Lester H said:
Noticed that the popular press are now drawing more attention to Chinese cars. Near to home, a neighbour has replaced an Evoque with the BYD equivalent and is very pleased with it, not least because it was half price . Now, do we assume that this phenomenon will force European prices down or that Chinese will simply increase prices, as in the case of Japanese and Korean imports which have become more or less mainstream?
I'd be interested to see a review of the BYD Seal SUV versus the whichever Mecan EV is closest spec wise. Seems unlikely that the Porsche will be twice as good.
I don't travel on the motorways much these days. Did a few hours yesterday over to Lancashire. I was shocked how many BYD's there were on the roads.
LivLL said:
What's the BYD equivalent of an Evoque? I could be mistaken but I thought they were electric cars.
Ironically there was an exact equivalent of the Evoque, the landwind X7. We're talking 10 years ago now.It was a clone. JLR sued in China over the copyright theft aspect and won, the company involved stopped making it. It was never for sale in the UK.
Just for a giggle, this is what the Chinese Evoque looked like:
I'm not sure if it was as compatible as some of the other clones (I remember a Chinese knockoff BMW X5 that was copied closely enough you could take things like doors off it and they exactly fit in a real X5 shell..)
Anyway, the Chinese cars aren't all battery electric.
Renault and Geely have a joint venture called Horse Powertrain that will be producing all the internal combustion engines for both companies. A third investor (came along late to the party, but now has 10% share) is Aramco.
The Chinese petrol engines they put in the Jaecoo, Chery, Omada etc. are either a 1.5 or 1.6 turbo. Both seem to have poor fuel economy and high emissions compared to a comparable European Engine.
Also how good is the warranty in reality? I have read lots of people moaning that MG will try anything to get out of the 7 year warranty and want to charge an investigation fee for everything first.
Also how good is the warranty in reality? I have read lots of people moaning that MG will try anything to get out of the 7 year warranty and want to charge an investigation fee for everything first.
CraigyMc said:
LivLL said:
What's the BYD equivalent of an Evoque? I could be mistaken but I thought they were electric cars.
Ironically there was an exact equivalent of the Evoque, the landwind X7. We're talking 10 years ago now.It was a clone. JLR sued in China over the copyright theft aspect and won, the company involved stopped making it. It was never for sale in the UK.
Just for a giggle, this is what the Chinese Evoque looked like:
I'm not sure if it was as compatible as some of the other clones (I remember a Chinese knockoff BMW X5 that was copied closely enough you could take things like doors off it and they exactly fit in a real X5 shell..)
Anyway, the Chinese cars aren't all battery electric.
Renault and Geely have a joint venture called Horse Powertrain that will be producing all the internal combustion engines for both companies. A third investor (came along late to the party, but now has 10% share) is Aramco.
Very few people car of the ethical origins of their car. All they see is what comes out of their pockets and that its nice and shiny.
The Chinese cars will eat up the European car industry in the next 10-15 years. China are experts at the long game and this is just another aspect of it.
The Chinese cars will eat up the European car industry in the next 10-15 years. China are experts at the long game and this is just another aspect of it.
Miocene said:
Very few people car of the ethical origins of their car. All they see is what comes out of their pockets and that its nice and shiny.
For good reason, because if you start looking at the behaviour of governments in any depth you'll quickly find reasons not to buy cars from every country in the world. ChocolateFrog said:
I'd be interested to see a review of the BYD Seal SUV versus the whichever Mecan EV is closest spec wise.
Seems unlikely that the Porsche will be twice as good.
I don't travel on the motorways much these days. Did a few hours yesterday over to Lancashire. I was shocked how many BYD's there were on the roads.
You could say that about ICE Porsche and a less premium brand ICE equivalent.Seems unlikely that the Porsche will be twice as good.
I don't travel on the motorways much these days. Did a few hours yesterday over to Lancashire. I was shocked how many BYD's there were on the roads.
Is a Mclaren 750s actually 3.5-4x better than a Boxster? Objectively, no.
Just like a Boxster isn't objectively twice as good as a MX5.
Sway said:
You could say that about ICE Porsche and a less premium brand ICE equivalent.
Is a Mclaren 750s actually 3.5-4x better than a Boxster? Objectively, no.
Just like a Boxster isn't objectively twice as good as a MX5.
Is a Mclaren 750s actually 3.5-4x better than a Boxster? Objectively, no.
Just like a Boxster isn't objectively twice as good as a MX5.
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