RE: Is this 996 Carrera 4 the ultimate station car?
RE: Is this 996 Carrera 4 the ultimate station car?
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Is this 996 Carrera 4 the ultimate station car?

What to do with a Porsche 911 that has covered nearly 400,000 miles...


The high-mileage 996-era 911 is never too far from discussion on PH - it’s simply too interesting a Porsche to ignore. Received well at launch but unloved as a secondhand prospect, for a long time they offered an alluringly affordable way into rear-engined Porsche sports car ownership. And some proved tougher than expectations would have suggested. So we featured 996s like the 300k-mile desert runner, plus both two-wheel drive and four-wheel drive Brave Pills. The risk was undoubtedly there at little more than £10,000, but the reward didn’t need much explaining either. 

Furthermore, even as the first water-cooled 911 has slowly but surely increased in value over the past decade or so, they remain the cheapest way into one. And actually, they’re now being appreciated as a great classic Porsche, with compact dimensions, fantastic handling, and a simpler mechanical makeup than later cars. Some folk even like the headlights now… 

Given all that, it’s a surprise that in 2025 this is the cheapest 996 we’ve ever seen. You’d have thought the days of 911s being sold for four-figure sums would be behind us, yet here’s a 2000 Carrera 4 Coupe available at £8,925 before any negotiation. It’s one you might actually want, too, with a manual gearbox, carbon interior bits, Turbo twist wheels and seats that are said to be from a GT2. When all the cheapish 911s now seem to be Tiptronic drop-tops, this looks like a bit of a find. 

The mileage explains the price. A 911 that’s reached 200,000 miles would be pretty notable, but this 996 passed that milestone yonks ago. And then 300,000 as well. Then 350k. At its most recent service in April, the C4 sat at 378,560 miles, and is now for sale with 387,207 on the odometer. An astonishing number for anything on four wheels, really, let alone a bona fide sports car with a reliability rep that isn’t the best. 

Naturally, it’s taken some work to get here. The ad says that the flat six was ‘comprehensively rebuilt’ with both a ceramic IMS and ceramic engine liners, the latter of which should prevent any bore scoring issues. It doesn’t say when the work was done, although with those upgraded parts it shouldn’t need doing again. There’s said to be plenty of main dealer history, plus new dampers, discs and pads this year. So this ought to still drive like a 911 should, to some extent. 

Investment will be required cosmetically, though. Probably a full respray, for those that don’t want the scabby look, given the state of the arches and the bonnet. The sills definitely look like they’ve seen better days as well, although the MOT does run until April, so hopefully the rust isn’t terminal yet. It could be a cool project for those with the skills (or the budget) to properly rejuvenate. On the other hand, left as it is, what a winter hack opportunity the 400,000-mile 911 Carrera 4 looks…


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Hingy

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20 posts

228 months

Yesterday (10:54)
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I love the idea of a train station car. But I would probably choose something smaller than this. Fiat Panda Cross?

speciald

123 posts

189 months

Yesterday (11:19)
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Just sold my 996 with 166k for less than that, although it was a tip.

theicemario

1,313 posts

93 months

Yesterday (11:32)
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Excellent clap

Gad-Westy

15,929 posts

231 months

Yesterday (11:35)
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I saw this pop up the other day. The mileage doesn't put me off at all, in fact I almost quite like it on a car like this. But if you care about presentation, by the time you'd rectified the bodywork you'd almost certainly have spent quite a lot more than a lot of other 996's out there. Would be good for someone that is handy with a spray gun or vinyl wrap.

Wardy5

147 posts

224 months

Yesterday (11:38)
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Yep, it's great to see them being used.... properly!

I had similar thoughts re bodywork restoration, and also pondering the wrap route!

thegreenhell

20,445 posts

237 months

Yesterday (11:40)
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It would be fun to just drive it as-is and take up to half a million miles. However, though the cosmetic state doesn't bother me at all, the visible rust would make me wonder how bad it is underneath. It could be a world of pain at MOT time if it needs a load of welding.

Turbobanana

7,472 posts

219 months

Yesterday (11:40)
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I spotted this for sale somewhere else a few days ago and had a good long look at the ad.

Ironically, the mileage and mechanical condition isn't what put me off - I mean, if it's made it this far it can't be all bad, right? Also, the previous owner sounded like a good sort who wasn't afraid to throw cash at an old car.

No, what put me off is the cosmetic state of it. As the article says, it ideally needs a full respray plus there's a lot of rust in the arches, so you're looking at - what? - £3-5000 to make it look nice? For not much over the combined total you could get a car with less than half the mileage, just as much preventative work carried out and in better cosmetic condition. Arguably, the right buyer is the one that doesn't care about the looks, but if (when) I buy a 996 I will want it to look right.

fantheman80

2,161 posts

67 months

Yesterday (11:44)
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my knowledge of Porsche models and prices is tiny, but that seems a lot for a car in that state surely. Paint peel on the bonnet so symmetrical looks intentional!!

Dudley99

102 posts

2 months

Yesterday (11:48)
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You cannot wrap a rusty car. It will be more than £3-5K to sort it. The article talks of rusty sills, so you need to budget for those and everything else that comes to light.

It's just a total waste of money. It's one of those "Bangers & Cash Restoring Classics" cars, where the TV company buy the car for £8K and spend £20K fixing it up and then sell it for £10K. No one wants a 400,000 mile Porsche and to call it a station car is just idiotic.

Turbobanana

7,472 posts

219 months

Yesterday (11:53)
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Dudley99 said:
You cannot wrap a rusty car. It will be more than £3-5K to sort it. The article talks of rusty sills, so you need to budget for those and everything else that comes to light.

It's just a total waste of money. It's one of those "Bangers & Cash Restoring Classics" cars, where the TV company buy the car for £8K and spend £20K fixing it up and then sell it for £10K. No one wants a 400,000 mile Porsche and to call it a station car is just idiotic.
Are you secretly putting us all off buying it while you're on the phone doing a deal? biggrin

Jon_S_Rally

4,059 posts

106 months

Yesterday (11:57)
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Dudley99 said:
You cannot wrap a rusty car. It will be more than £3-5K to sort it. The article talks of rusty sills, so you need to budget for those and everything else that comes to light.

It's just a total waste of money. It's one of those "Bangers & Cash Restoring Classics" cars, where the TV company buy the car for £8K and spend £20K fixing it up and then sell it for £10K. No one wants a 400,000 mile Porsche and to call it a station car is just idiotic.
Someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning laugh

I think it's cool. The bodywork wouldn't bother me. Provided you give it a good check over and the rust isn't too severe, I'd happily get under it and patch it up. With it being high miles and tatty, it's perfect for a project or for modifying without feeling guilty about spoiling an immaculate example. It's the sort of car someone with some mechanical skills could have a lot of fun with.

thegreenhell

20,445 posts

237 months

Yesterday (12:00)
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Dudley99 said:
You cannot wrap a rusty car. It will be more than £3-5K to sort it. The article talks of rusty sills, so you need to budget for those and everything else that comes to light.

It's just a total waste of money. It's one of those "Bangers & Cash Restoring Classics" cars, where the TV company buy the car for £8K and spend £20K fixing it up and then sell it for £10K. No one wants a 400,000 mile Porsche and to call it a station car is just idiotic.
Agree, it only makes sense if it's still solid enough to not need a tonne of welding in hidden areas and just tart up the arches and sills so they don't get any worse, and otherwise keep using it as-is.

I don't see the mileage as too much of an issue as long as the maintenance of the car is up to scratch. It will put some people off, sure, but to others it will be a fun novelty and a challenge to have such a high mileage 911.

simon-tigjs

164 posts

115 months

Yesterday (12:01)
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What a waste of money. The rear wings are already full of filler . It's bound to have deep rot . It's the least desirable 911 and you would pour thousands £ into a resto for something still undesirable . It would swallow 8k getting it right , It should gracefully meet the crusher or be given away

swisstoni

20,643 posts

297 months

Yesterday (12:03)
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Dudley99 said:
You cannot wrap a rusty car. It will be more than £3-5K to sort it. The article talks of rusty sills, so you need to budget for those and everything else that comes to light.

It's just a total waste of money. It's one of those "Bangers & Cash Restoring Classics" cars, where the TV company buy the car for £8K and spend £20K fixing it up and then sell it for £10K. No one wants a 400,000 mile Porsche and to call it a station car is just idiotic.
I don't think people understand rust properly any more as it is not the widespread problem it used to be.

andy43

11,949 posts

272 months

Yesterday (12:04)
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simon-tigjs said:
What a waste of money. The rear wings are already full of filler . It's bound to have deep rot . It's the least desirable 911 and you would pour thousands £ into a resto for something still undesirable . It would swallow 8k getting it right , It should gracefully meet the crusher or be given away
Yup. Could be used as a track car - I’d guess the underside looks far worse than the bits you can actually see in the pics. Plus a wrap requires metal to stick to - those wings and cills look utterly shagged.

andy43

11,949 posts

272 months

Yesterday (12:06)
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That’s just what you can see. I think the cills been plated already and the arch looks a right mess.

Court_S

14,412 posts

195 months

Yesterday (12:11)
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Whilst it's cool that it's covered so many miles and it seems that money has been spent on maintenance, the rust would put me off. If the visible bits look like that, I'd be worried about what the hidden bits look like.

Fixing it would make would buy a better car and I'm not rich enough to write £8k off should it fail its next MOT due to rust.

swisstoni

20,643 posts

297 months

Yesterday (12:18)
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What it is useful for is an indicator of what could be going on under the shiny (newish?) paint on other more pretty 996s of a similar vintage.

Fantomas

62 posts

65 months

Yesterday (12:25)
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I think we might be looking at a £5k car, in the real world

Dave.

7,738 posts

271 months

Yesterday (12:27)
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andy43 said:

That s just what you can see. I think the cills been plated already and the arch looks a right mess.
Seen many an mx5 with similar repair....

Be a great project for a diyer or for someone not precious about how it looks/tracktoy/etc....