RE: Subaru previews two all-new STI concepts
RE: Subaru previews two all-new STI concepts
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Subaru previews two all-new STI concepts

Both battery and combustion power coming for 'future of the Performance Scene'


A few things are guaranteed when the Tokyo show comes around. There’ll be something truly wild from Toyota (that they might actually make), something random from Mitsubishi to remind the world they still exist, then a couple of really cool concepts from Subaru that won’t go anywhere from the show floor. Remember the Electric Record Attempt that was going to the Nurburgring? Exactly. 

For 2025, there are two STI models inbound: the Performance-E STI concept and the Performance-B STI. The latter follows the familiar script, just the teaser alone suggesting that it’ll resemble something that looks like a traditional STI four-door; Subaru says a boxer engine and symmetrical all-wheel drive - ‘the assets Subaru has honed over many years’ - will feature, like every racy show saloon it shows. There’s not much more to say for now, other than the suggestion that this Performance-B will give more customers ‘the chance to experience the joy of driving’. So maybe the latest WRX will at last get an STI flagship, and be available to more than a few people in Japan. 

The Performance-E concept is arguably more interesting, representing as it does the future of STI. And Subaru’s EVs have been more notable of late, thanks to cars like the battery-powered Outback and Uncharted. From what can be told right now, the Performance-E is going to be rather sportier than those, but beyond that it’s hard to tell; Subaru is promising both ‘outstanding’ aero as well as practicality, and those attributes don’t tend to go hand in hand. The design ‘evokes the brand’s heritage’, which inevitably makes you think of Imprezas, but perhaps could be more coupe-shaped. Let’s see - an electric STI feels more viable in 2025 than a turbocharged one. Whether it’s more desirable remains to be seen. 

The STI concepts will be joined on Subaru’s Tokyo stand by the Hoonigan Huckster, plus new Foresters, Trailseekers and Outbacks. A line-up that would significantly benefit from some STI fairy dust to bring Subaru back on the enthusiast radar. Let’s hope these are the motor show previews that Subaru finally follows through with. 


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Gecko1978

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11,886 posts

175 months

Yesterday (12:06)
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Subaru are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws if victory. From an amazing sti concept car that became the blob eye and the sti hatch that was just 10 years too late.

Also here in the UK the tax on the engines just make them unappealing. The legacy wagon should have been a huger seller an yet wasn't. The focus, golf, bmw 1 series all just took over from the impreza

tripleB

44 posts

106 months

Yesterday (12:21)
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Gecko1978 said:
Subaru are masters of snatching defeat from the jaws if victory. From an amazing sti concept car that became the blob eye and the sti hatch that was just 10 years too late.

Also here in the UK the tax on the engines just make them unappealing. The legacy wagon should have been a huger seller an yet wasn't. The focus, golf, bmw 1 series all just took over from the impreza
That and they insist on putting a CVT gearbox in everything

aarondbs

874 posts

164 months

Yesterday (12:44)
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As a previous owner of a much modified 2003 WRX, a BRAT and an 1800 estate long ago I have always liked the brand.

As has already been said though, it's my aversion to the CVT which has put me off more recently. Even in interesting stuff there it is!

TGCOTF-dewey

6,790 posts

73 months

Yesterday (12:48)
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I said this years ago when Mitsubishi pulled the plug on the Evo.

Both should be doing a 4 motor electric concept that can do physics defying things via independent wheel control.


GreatScott2016

1,980 posts

106 months

Yesterday (13:39)
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My car history has been dominated by Imprezas and Evos over the years and I will always have fantastic memories of both brands so anything that mentions them today will grab my attention. Whether Subaru can recapture the excitement with this, only time will tell, but sadly I doubt it frown .

Steve-B

867 posts

300 months

Yesterday (14:56)
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GreatScott2016 said:
My car history has been dominated by Imprezas and Evos over the years and I will always have fantastic memories of both brands so anything that mentions them today will grab my attention. Whether Subaru can recapture the excitement with this, only time will tell, but sadly I doubt it frown .
We recently wanted to use my pension lump-sum to purchase a "final" car. Like many of you we've had an STi Imprezza, a Forrester and I think kindly on the name Subaru. Sadly dealing with their Cambridge forecourt who had a 1yr old delivery only miles finished it off. Wouldn't budge even a single tuppence couldn't give a t*ss if we were repeat Subaru customers so we walked.

And instead bought an AWD Lexus NX given we've had 3 Lexus cars which were all faultless. Now will drive said Forrester into the ground then dump it on some onlne automarket as they've lost our custom.

foxhounduk

613 posts

198 months

Yesterday (15:00)
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I've had 2 Subaru STI's in the last 7-8 years. Both were excellent machines. A real joy to drive. Handling, confidence in the wet and point-to-point speed etc. Please Subaru, just make this spec B and internal combustion boxer with 400bhp and no silly CVT gearboxes....

Evil.soup

4,021 posts

223 months

Yesterday (15:06)
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I do often get a little excited when I see something potentially hot from Subaru, but the UK has had nothing in maybe 10 years now. I have a feeling this will be the same deal, I will stick with the same Impreza I have had for the past near 20 years until they can do something interesting that can keep up with modern traffic.

My Impreza isn't slow, but it is no quicker than many mildly hot washing machines on the road these days, so Subaru need to do something special to win people back to the brand who want performance.

ManyMotors

941 posts

116 months

Yesterday (15:10)
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Toyota has 20% ownership of Subaru, which might be significant enough to exert influence. So Subie might be ready to be Toyota's performance division or it will be only making Outbacks and Foresters with CVTs.

Qutaphon

21 posts

20 months

Yesterday (15:38)
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Solution is simply but they do not care.
2 door sti 4x4 ,6 speed ,2.4 engine 400 horses 1300kg car

framerateuk

2,830 posts

202 months

Yesterday (16:04)
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Evil.soup said:
I do often get a little excited when I see something potentially hot from Subaru, but the UK has had nothing in maybe 10 years now. I have a feeling this will be the same deal, I will stick with the same Impreza I have had for the past near 20 years until they can do something interesting that can keep up with modern traffic.

My Impreza isn't slow, but it is no quicker than many mildly hot washing machines on the road these days, so Subaru need to do something special to win people back to the brand who want performance.
My dad's in a similar position. He's had every 4 door Impreza since the 2000 Turbo (with the exception of the hawk eye as he hung onto his WR1 for longer). He's got the last version they made and can't really figure out what to replace it with.

Evil.soup

4,021 posts

223 months

Yesterday (16:14)
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framerateuk said:
Evil.soup said:
I do often get a little excited when I see something potentially hot from Subaru, but the UK has had nothing in maybe 10 years now. I have a feeling this will be the same deal, I will stick with the same Impreza I have had for the past near 20 years until they can do something interesting that can keep up with modern traffic.

My Impreza isn't slow, but it is no quicker than many mildly hot washing machines on the road these days, so Subaru need to do something special to win people back to the brand who want performance.
My dad's in a similar position. He's had every 4 door Impreza since the 2000 Turbo (with the exception of the hawk eye as he hung onto his WR1 for longer). He's got the last version they made and can't really figure out what to replace it with.
I have considered the last Sti, I do really like them and before Covid, they were creeping into the 14k bracket. I was waiting for them to slip further as they were dropping quite quickly, but now they are holding and climbing, I can't really justify the additional expense to get a car that isn't a million miles away from what I already have. If they had a solid 350 to 400HP to compete with the 1 series M cars, Cupra's and Golf R's, I would be tempted, but they just stuck with the same recipe too long. Don't get me wrong I know it isn't difficult to get 400hp out of one, but I would have preferred if it came from the factory with that spec pre-built to handle it.

GR Yaris has been the only thing coming close to tempting me in the rally replica world.

nismo48

5,655 posts

225 months

Yesterday (16:46)
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foxhounduk said:
I've had 2 Subaru STI's in the last 7-8 years. Both were excellent machines. A real joy to drive. Handling, confidence in the wet and point-to-point speed etc. Please Subaru, just make this spec B and internal combustion boxer with 400bhp and no silly CVT gearboxes....
Fingers crossed wink

redroadster

1,884 posts

250 months

Yesterday (18:13)
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Will be a welcome addition to have something from suburu that's decent .

Andy86GT

708 posts

83 months

Yesterday (19:18)
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I can't remember the last time I saw a new Subaru. There was 3 dealers new me when I had my Forester. They've either closed or moved to selling SsangYong or whatever, they appear to have given up on UK much like Mitsubishi have.
Toyota are our best hope of offering something interesting in the UK if they decide to sell the Corolla GR here.

Mr Tidy

27,774 posts

145 months

Yesterday (23:50)
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Somehow I doubt either will ever happen.

Subaru are nothing more than a distant memory in the UK now.

smilo996

3,443 posts

188 months

much work required to resurrect a badge so cheaply thrown away.