Early 2017 mustang with £760 tax
Discussion
I am after a mustang, one has come up which I thought would be exactly what I want, but turns out because it is an early 2017 it is on the old tax system which is over £500 more than a car a few months newer.
These higher tax ones seem to be about £2k cheaper than cars without the high tax, but to me that doesn't seem enough.
£500 of that is going straight away on the first years tax, then for me personally I plan to keep the car for probably 10 years, so is potentially going to cost me an extra £5k more, maybe more if it has gone up with inflation.
Then I am concerned over the long term value, in 10 years time if they haven't revamped the tax system to remove this penalty then you could be looking at well over £1k a year car to tax, if that hampers the value even more then my extra cost of ownership by the time I've sold it could be even greater.
The problem is this car is local to me and exactly the spec I want and they don't seem to be coming up that often. It's valuation is coming back about what it is for sale for, so there is no chance I can see of negotiating another £5k off which is where I feel it should be. But I wonder how realistic it will be to get maybe £2k off.
These higher tax ones seem to be about £2k cheaper than cars without the high tax, but to me that doesn't seem enough.
£500 of that is going straight away on the first years tax, then for me personally I plan to keep the car for probably 10 years, so is potentially going to cost me an extra £5k more, maybe more if it has gone up with inflation.
Then I am concerned over the long term value, in 10 years time if they haven't revamped the tax system to remove this penalty then you could be looking at well over £1k a year car to tax, if that hampers the value even more then my extra cost of ownership by the time I've sold it could be even greater.
The problem is this car is local to me and exactly the spec I want and they don't seem to be coming up that often. It's valuation is coming back about what it is for sale for, so there is no chance I can see of negotiating another £5k off which is where I feel it should be. But I wonder how realistic it will be to get maybe £2k off.
The facelift also has more power, revised suspension, better engine and optional things available like magnaride, switchable exhaust and digital dash.
The facelift is a big upgrade. I prefer the looks of the 2017 but you know the tax is going to get hammered up maybe 50-100 per year. I'd definitely want a Euro 6 one for long term keeping.
The facelift is a big upgrade. I prefer the looks of the 2017 but you know the tax is going to get hammered up maybe 50-100 per year. I'd definitely want a Euro 6 one for long term keeping.
Saleen836 said:
If you don't ask you don't get 
Link to the advert for it? the seller might be a member of a mustang group I am in so can check any history and/or how long they have been trying to sell
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510167207530?advertising-location=at_cars&atmobcid=soc5&backLinkQueryParams=body-type%3DConvertible%26channel%3Dcars%26make%3DFord%26min-engine-power%3D400%26model%3DMustang%26postcode%3DPo1%25203sf%26sort%3Drelevance%26flrfc%3D1&body-type=Convertible&fromsra&make=Ford&min-engine-power=400&model=Mustang&searchId=7db8d5e3-b5ef-474f-bf8f-cfa0c189c202&sort=relevance&twcs=true&utm_medium=mobile-web&utm_source=shareLink to the advert for it? the seller might be a member of a mustang group I am in so can check any history and/or how long they have been trying to sell
I don't know if it works but it is a manual convertible for £25.5k
StoutBench said:
The facelift also has more power, revised suspension, better engine and optional things available like magnaride, switchable exhaust and digital dash.
The facelift is a big upgrade. I prefer the looks of the 2017 but you know the tax is going to get hammered up maybe 50-100 per year. I'd definitely want a Euro 6 one for long term keeping.
You really need to drive one of each. I am not sure exactly when, but some or all of the UK spec face-lift cars have higher gearing than the 2017 model. They may have slightly more power but the older car is faster to 60mph and feels more of a hooligan (to me, at least!)The facelift is a big upgrade. I prefer the looks of the 2017 but you know the tax is going to get hammered up maybe 50-100 per year. I'd definitely want a Euro 6 one for long term keeping.
You takes your choice!
mac96 said:
StoutBench said:
The facelift also has more power, revised suspension, better engine and optional things available like magnaride, switchable exhaust and digital dash.
The facelift is a big upgrade. I prefer the looks of the 2017 but you know the tax is going to get hammered up maybe 50-100 per year. I'd definitely want a Euro 6 one for long term keeping.
You really need to drive one of each. I am not sure exactly when, but some or all of the UK spec face-lift cars have higher gearing than the 2017 model. They may have slightly more power but the older car is faster to 60mph and feels more of a hooligan (to me, at least!)The facelift is a big upgrade. I prefer the looks of the 2017 but you know the tax is going to get hammered up maybe 50-100 per year. I'd definitely want a Euro 6 one for long term keeping.
You takes your choice!
e-honda said:
Saleen836 said:
If you don't ask you don't get
Link to the advert for it? the seller might be a member of a mustang group I am in so can check any history and/or how long they have been trying to sell
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510167207530?advertising-location=at_cars&atmobcid=soc5&backLinkQueryParams=body-type%3DConvertible%26channel%3Dcars%26make%3DFord%26min-engine-power%3D400%26model%3DMustang%26postcode%3DPo1%25203sf%26sort%3Drelevance%26flrfc%3D1&body-type=Convertible&fromsra&make=Ford&min-engine-power=400&model=Mustang&searchId=7db8d5e3-b5ef-474f-bf8f-cfa0c189c202&sort=relevance&twcs=true&utm_medium=mobile-web&utm_source=shareLink to the advert for it? the seller might be a member of a mustang group I am in so can check any history and/or how long they have been trying to sell
I don't know if it works but it is a manual convertible for £25.5k
I dont think a dealer is going to knock £2K off after only having it advertised.
Personally... the tax would irk me. It would irk me every year. It could also become problematic come resale time.
I'd spend the extra on a 2018 car. Might cost a bit more now, but its a better proposition, give the tax and the additional power and suspension revisions.
Also... is the service history not a bit odd?
Edited by Deep Thought on Thursday 23 October 22:42
I did a history check
It has 3 owners not 2 as advertised.
Latest owner has it 6 months and it was listed back then for £1k less than it is now.
First mot was 10 months late so combined with them only listing the 2 recent services suggests probably a patchy history.
All seems reasonable grounds for negotiations on price but probably more reasons to stay away and keep searching.
Problem is there are very few convertible manuals at the moment.
It has 3 owners not 2 as advertised.
Latest owner has it 6 months and it was listed back then for £1k less than it is now.
First mot was 10 months late so combined with them only listing the 2 recent services suggests probably a patchy history.
All seems reasonable grounds for negotiations on price but probably more reasons to stay away and keep searching.
Problem is there are very few convertible manuals at the moment.
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