RE: 308mph U9 Xtreme is now quickest 'ring EV too
RE: 308mph U9 Xtreme is now quickest 'ring EV too
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308mph U9 Xtreme is now quickest 'ring EV too

Yangwang spent last month boggling our mind; this month it repeats the feat with a 6:59.157 lap time


You can understand why European carmakers fear the march of their Chinese rivals. Yes, for their knack with mass production and battery innovation and software - and certainly for the less-than-completely-level fiscal playing field they operate on. But also for their tendency to keep banging away, with money and resources and unwavering focus, until a technical challenge is overcome. Getting an EV to crack 300mph is a perfect example. As is cracking the seven-minute mark at the Nürburgring Nordschleife. 

That the same car has completed both clearly says something about Yangwang’s ambitions - it freely admits that its engineering team has been installed at the circuit for more than a year, likely with a singular focus - yet it is also about the other carmakers left in its wake: at 6:59.157, the U9 Xtreme is more than 25 seconds quicker than a Tesla Model S Plaid Track Pack over the same distance. It is more than 7 seconds quicker than the Weissach-equipped Taycan Turbo GT that Porsche specifically built to vanquish Tesla. 

Even the Xiaomi SU7 Ultra Track Pack, itself a marvel of Chinese ingenuity and head of the EV leaderboard since April, must now be considered second to the all-conquering U9. Interestingly, Nurburgring’s official lap time page lists the Yangwang as a ‘Super sports car’ rather than an executive - but it hardly matters because it’s quickest there, too, outpacing even the time set by Martin Kodric in a Rimac Nevera back in 2023. That’s right: the Nevera, the quad-motor 1,914hp supercar built by Europe’s leading light in everything plug-in-able. The U9 Xtreme is the quickest production EV ever, no matter how it’s classified. 

In point of fact, it’s the ‘production’ bit that you might choose to quibble with, on the basis that Yangwang’s insanely trick, 3,000hp model has not yet been greeted by a customer and will only ever reach 30 of them when it does. But on the basis that Porsche and Tesla’s efforts were also heavily modified with bragging rights (and not buyers) in mind, it would probably be unfair to hold its feet to the fire. The Xtreme is certainly based on a mass-produced 1,200-volt platform, and while much about it is bespoke (not least the cooling system and the semi-slick tyres), you would hardly bet against Yangwang turning out a few for showrooms. 

"We are dedicated to pushing the limits of what can be achieved through technology, and the Nürburgring is such a legendary challenge for cars and drivers that it is only natural for our engineers to pursue their dreams there,” said BYD Executive Vice President Stella Li. “The limited-edition U9 Xtreme has proven that it is not only the world's fastest car in a straight line, but also a vehicle with the performance and dynamic qualities necessary to break lap records on a circuit with a wide variety of corners."

Indeed, nowhere offers a more formidable array of corners, and certainly we’ll take nothing away from German race veteran, Moritz Kranz, who (as the video shows) certainly earned his money over 7 minutes. He and the Yangwang team still have some way to go before they start upsetting combustion car royalty, of course (the current 911 GT3 is still inside the Xtreme’s time, let alone the RS), and the Mercedes-AMG One is hugely quicker and much more numerous in production volume. Appropriately, it will likely be Xiaomi that would like another say in the matter: let’s not forget it sent an SU7 Ultra prototype around the Nordschleife in 6:22.091 back in the spring - nor that it was 7 seconds quicker than the One. Shudder. 


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mrclav

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1,641 posts

241 months

Yesterday (06:17)
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Absolutely bonkers.

Your move, Europe and USA...

Ian-g14dj

22 posts

117 months

Yesterday (06:27)
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I believe the track-version of the McMurtry Spéirling has a range of about 30–40 miles. That should give it a shot. I think it's road legal.

Kawasicki

13,837 posts

253 months

Yesterday (06:33)
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mrclav said:
Absolutely bonkers.

Your move, Europe and USA...
Europe? We’re busy deindustrialising, ta.

martin12345

843 posts

107 months

Yesterday (07:02)
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mrclav said:
Absolutely bonkers.

Your move, Europe and USA...
i think the Renault 5 and FIAT Panda are "not bad" next moves - more interesting and relevant EV's for the European market
the chinese are in a "spiral" of "how high can we piss up the wall" at the moment which may be good to sell cars in china but doesn't produce anything of any relevance in the real world plus Supercar buys have voted with their feet and prefer slower cars with an engine over a fast EV

The only hope for the European OEM is to make cars that people want to buy for a price that is not too much more than the Chinese


Andy83n

581 posts

80 months

Yesterday (07:11)
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Bodes well for my next tumble dryer.

Reckon that'd dry and fluff two heavy White Company bath sheets in under 4 minutes


Robertb

2,933 posts

256 months

Yesterday (07:29)
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I’m in a minority I imagine but I find the whine of the motors exciting… reminds me of an X-Wing!

bigmowley

2,364 posts

194 months

Yesterday (07:37)
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So just to clarify. The 3000BHP Extreme is slower around the ring than the 530BHP Porsche 992 GT3.

Gosh that’s a bit crap then isn’t it!!!

MC Bodge

25,548 posts

193 months

Yesterday (07:38)
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Andy83n said:
Bodes well for my next tumble dryer.

Reckon that'd dry and fluff two heavy White Company bath sheets in under 4 minutes
That could well be the next benchmark, once a G-suit is required for 'ring time attempts.

pw_ninja

54 posts

77 months

Yesterday (10:49)
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Ian-g14dj said:
I believe the track-version of the McMurtry Spéirling has a range of about 30 40 miles. That should give it a shot. I think it's road legal.
Hear, hear! Also, I dig that lighter cars with significantly less power are still quicker.. As also pointed out above. Not that GT2 (RSs) and GTR (RSs) are *that* real world relevant but... If you wanna avoid doing 140 on the straights (to jail) but maintain 77mph round tight corners, well... A sorted Caterham, Alpine, MX-5 or a lightened, modded 991...

Gecko1978

11,922 posts

175 months

Yesterday (11:18)
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This is cool but the Xaomi appeals a little bit more as the top end model is £50k in China estimated to be £80k here. Now if we did not rip off our own people that's a 217mph car for the price of a mid spec bmw X1

911Spanker

2,820 posts

34 months

Yesterday (11:18)
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bigmowley said:
So just to clarify. The 3000BHP Extreme is slower around the ring than the 530BHP Porsche 992 GT3.

Gosh that s a bit crap then isn t it!!!
This really. What's the point of all this anyway? Presume just for halo marketing purposes for those punters who are impressed by such things and feel the tech filters down to their city runner.


martin12345

843 posts

107 months

Yesterday (11:50)
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911Spanker said:
bigmowley said:
So just to clarify. The 3000BHP Extreme is slower around the ring than the 530BHP Porsche 992 GT3.

Gosh that s a bit crap then isn t it!!!
This really. What's the point of all this anyway? Presume just for halo marketing purposes for those punters who are impressed by such things and feel the tech filters down to their city runner.
Halo marketing, mainly for China market - only reason.
a) To help shift lots of cheap BYD's by association
b) To create credibility for the YangWang brand in China to try to push BYD sales to a higher price point on average (and higher profit margin)

At the moment they are a "pile them high and sell them low" kind of company, but they aspire to a higher Brand positioning

Dave Hedgehog

15,415 posts

222 months

Yesterday (11:51)
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bigmowley said:
So just to clarify. The 3000BHP Extreme is slower around the ring than the 530BHP Porsche 992 GT3.

Gosh that s a bit crap then isn t it!!!
interesting point

RDMcG

20,132 posts

225 months

Yesterday (11:56)
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Sure it’s halo marketing but very easy to dismiss. From the rise of Japanese cars, the entry of Korea, and now to the availability of Chinese cars there is often a reaction that the new player makes cheap junk, or that they are less pure than real driver-focused cars.

However, China has a multilevel strategy in my view and they have economies of scale and much shorter development cycles than traditional manufacturers. Living in North America it feels like that protective tariff dykes cannot hold forever but eve if they last China has a global marketing thrust that will marginalize existing players.

I am a fairly long term Porsche enthusiast and owner so but I would not want to own the stock.

As for Ring records they will continue to fall and impress people but my own practical experience there is that the skill to take a top flight car close to its limits is well beyond what I can personally achieve but mildly interesting as to what is possible.

foxhounduk

617 posts

198 months

Yesterday (11:59)
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Boring tat.

GTRene

19,940 posts

242 months

Yesterday (12:14)
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at one point at the end it goes 350 km/h for a second or so, thats fast also how fast it gets there.

impressive, but nothing for the real world to like around all that power.

but... the west wanted EV and getting rid of the petrol cars... and then they loose from the east, this was all predictable... so, so they gonna change (their) 'rules' again at some point I guess.

The Americans already did so I believe.

chrisironside

877 posts

180 months

Yesterday (12:39)
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"It is more than 7 seconds quicker than the Weissach-equipped Taycan Turbo GT that Porsche specifically built to vanquish Tesla."

News a 300+mph 2-seater hypercar is 7 seconds quicker over a 20km track than a Porsche Taycan seems like a great piece of marketing for Porsche imo.

evojam

727 posts

178 months

Yesterday (12:49)
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Curiously the Chinese seem to be under the illusion that Speed = Desirability with its Yangwang electric products.

martin12345

843 posts

107 months

Yesterday (13:26)
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evojam said:
Curiously the Chinese seem to be under the illusion that Speed = Desirability with its Yangwang electric products.
Not entirely true. For the U8 they think being able to spin on the spot and swim for up to 30 minutes are good things
For the U9, then it is high top speed, driving on 3 wheels and hopping that seem good

I think it is "anything to make us stand out"

You have to remember there are currently 102 chinese OEM so gaining attention in the market is important just to get it into consumers minds that they might want to consider your brand

SDK

2,074 posts

271 months

Yesterday (13:29)
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Dave Hedgehog said:
bigmowley said:
So just to clarify. The 3000BHP Extreme is slower around the ring than the 530BHP Porsche 992 GT3.

Gosh that s a bit crap then isn t it!!!
interesting point
Likely much more speed left / quicker time in that lap. Similar to their top end speed run - a lot more to show yet. The math shows around 100mph left on table.

This lap time is probably 70% of what it can actually do.