RE: Spotless P38 Range Rover 4.6 HSE for sale
RE: Spotless P38 Range Rover 4.6 HSE for sale
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Spotless P38 Range Rover 4.6 HSE for sale

The '90s are back. What better way to relive it...


Land Rover, clearly, has enjoyed better autumns. While it is now (slowly, painstakingly) on the mend from a cyber attack that is estimated to have cost the UK as much as £1.9bn - considered by some to be the most economically damaging cyber event the nation has yet endured - the road to complete recovery is likely to be long and winding. And it will face scrutiny over the vulnerabilities that led up to its shutdown, not to mention the knock-on effect of the time and money lost. 

But the manufacturer has been in tight spots before. Not everything has always gone to plan. Unfair, of course, to call the P38 a failure - even if BMW was minded to do so once its takeover was complete. After all, the model had the unenviable job of replacing an icon, a task that Land Rover approached diligently and intelligently, if not ambitiously. In its prudent attempt to replicate the original Range Rover’s charm, the manufacturer retained too much of its DNA without fully exorcising all of its demons. 

Nevertheless, when it launched in 1994, the result still seemed to have ticked the most obvious boxes, chiefly thanks to a styling overhaul that cemented the model’s upmarket positioning. Granted, the L322, the much-improved replacement that BMW oversaw and hurried to fruition, is the older Range Rover that buyers have tended to covet - but a resurgence of interest in everything to do with the ‘90s has cast new light on the P38 and its prospective value as a modern classic. 

Thanks to a regiment of electrical gremlins and suspension issues— not to mention less than sturdy residuals— it can be tricky to find a good one. Accordingly, this example, with just 48,500 miles on the clock courtesy of a single previous owner, and in 4.6 HSE spec, is a rarity. The larger flavour of Rover V8 ought to be good for around 230hp and 280lb ft of torque, sufficient to make the P38 waft without overly challenging its separate chassis or the balloon-like tyre around its 16-inch alloys. 

From where we’re sitting, the Epsom Green paintwork presents beautifully and complements the car's straight-edged design far better than many of the more common silver or black examples. The interior was criticised at the time for not moving the game on compared to German execs, but it’s a veritable treasure trove of ‘90s chic now, not least because dark grey leather and burr walnut trim strike a nice balance between country estate capability and Kensington kudos. 

At any rate, it presents as a perfectly usable daily, and while its £20k asking price is decidedly punchy, it is significantly less than you’ll pay for a similarly well-kept L322. And practically nothing compared to the ballooning money asked for its predecessor, the Classic. Broadly speaking, the P38 will be nicer to drive on the road and still heroic off it. Obviously, there are less thirsty, hefty, and perilous cars from the ‘90s that you could buy— but few that convey the charms of the era so completely. Long may Land Rover’s knack in this respect continue. 


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Angelo1985

Original Poster:

606 posts

44 months

Yesterday (21:11)
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I am unapologetically in love with the L322, so I’m biased. But if I wanted to try restomodding a Range Rover, I’d probably go for this one.
The main issue other than electrical gremlins would be the suspension, and that’s sorted by putting some springs.
Can someone with a bit more knowledge about them tell me if, once sorted, they’re more reliable than the L322?

Konan

2,150 posts

164 months

Yesterday (21:26)
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I saw one of these running under it's own motive power only a few years ago.

They were handily plentiful in scrap yards at one point and a good source for spares on the old electronically pressurised wabco ABS.

Triumph Man

9,214 posts

186 months

Yesterday (21:32)
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I used to say I’d never have a P38 - wish I hadn’t because now they look really appealing, although values are going up!

I’m sure on a recent sniff and smith podcast they said one of the Jenner sisters had bought one - not sure what that will do to values hehe

LightweightLouisDanvers

2,616 posts

61 months

Yesterday (21:44)
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That's very nice.
Wouldn't fancy shovelling unleaded into it as a daily driver though.

kambites

70,100 posts

239 months

Yesterday (22:19)
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The ratio of wheel to tyre is perfect, and the contrast really sums up what's so wrong about modern SUVs to my eyes.

Leftfootwonder

1,396 posts

76 months

Yesterday (22:30)
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My old boss had one of these in period and absolutely loved it. I always admired it in the car park. That dashboard design has aged pretty well to my eyes too.

Edited by Leftfootwonder on Thursday 23 October 22:41

Deranged Rover

4,198 posts

92 months

Yesterday (22:40)
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That looks very smart.

Still hate the P38, though.

DaveEvs

384 posts

120 months

Yesterday (22:43)
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I’m starting to view these in a new light, as the ones remaining seem to have come through the “big win on the pools” phase and emerge as classics.

el romeral

1,772 posts

155 months

Yesterday (22:56)
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I have always liked these. I viewed and test drove one 8 years ago and was pretty much going to buy it, then the sellers went on holiday. Meanwhile an ML55 popped up for sale locally and I could not resist its charms and bought it instead. Always wondered how life would have been with the RR 4,6HSE though?

cerb4.5lee

39,241 posts

198 months

Very classy I think, but as already said, you'll be throwing a decent amount of fuel at this for sure, for an arguable lack of reward. I've been there and done it in the 2004 X5 4.8iS for example as well.

eliot

11,970 posts

272 months

Angelo1985 said:
I am unapologetically in love with the L322, so I m biased. But if I wanted to try restomodding a Range Rover, I d probably go for this one.
The main issue other than electrical gremlins would be the suspension, and that’s sorted by putting some springs.
Can someone with a bit more knowledge about them tell me if, once sorted, they re more reliable than the L322?
how to kill the value and look of any rr is to put it on springs.

I’ve owned three p38 s - they are relatively easy to fix because all the faults are known and well documented - there’s stuff on my website about my ones.

air suspension is usually a seal in the compressor, leaking lines, bad height sensors or split bags - i bought one that had been bypassed with shrader valves, presumably because the owner gave up on it - i reinstated everything and it worked perfectly.

I would recommend that people look at the later facelifted vogue p38’s with the thor engine - they are much better to drive (due to the thor manifold, better (canbus) control of the autobox and bmw ecu)

wouldn’t touch a pre-facelift, i had two of them - the late facelift was far better.


Edited by eliot on Friday 24th October 00:27

oilit

2,758 posts

196 months

I had two of these new - one after the other and did 100k in each in two years, then moved on to the L322, which was no end of problems with diff alignment - a real horror story compared to the drama free motoring i had with the P38s.

I wish I had kept one - loved them!


WPA

12,574 posts

132 months

£20k seems pricey for a P38

ballans

877 posts

123 months

When they work P38s are wonderful cars.
But, keeping up with the faults is like a never ending game of whack a mole.
The community is excellent with a wealth of knowledge on how to fix things. My favourite is when the remote locking sensor fails and you have to go through a safe cracking sequence to bypass the imobilsor. The micro switch in the door locks also fail which will scupper that!
Eventually though it all gets a bit tedious so I gave up on mine. Wouldn’t want to go there again.

Water Fairy

6,256 posts

173 months

Do sellers just pick a number and see what happens when selling things these days? I mean sure this looks a very tidy example but 20k doesn't compute to me.

I'd much rather have a half tidy Classic for that money.

I used to detail one of these in the early 00s very regularly and my mate who owned it always had issues.

Frimley111R

17,671 posts

252 months

kambites said:
The ratio of wheel to tyre is perfect, and the contrast really sums up what's so wrong about modern SUVs to my eyes.
I vividly remember riding in the back of a BMW X5 of the same era. I swear it didn't have any rear suspension, we went over a speed bump and I don't think the suspension moved a millimeter. Not helped by having 19 wheels...

nismo48

5,687 posts

225 months

Its a kinda £20k Brave pill

valiant

12,696 posts

178 months

Yeah, it’s expensive and yeah, it’s a bit prone to throw various wobblies and yeah, it could have been built better but this seems an exceptionally nice example and they’re still a very nice place to sit in and crucially, there are a lot of decent specialists out there who know these cars backwards and have seen everything with the P38 and nothing will particularly faze them.

Still looks good after all these years.


fflump

2,583 posts

56 months

If you’re a fan of RR you can get a V8 diesel with similar mileage for a similar price and 20 years newer.

You have to seriously like this era of RR but for me it’s just an old car and too late a model for any classic vibe

GeniusOfLove

4,227 posts

30 months

Deranged Rover said:
That looks very smart.

Still hate the P38, though.
Looks as much of a shoddy half arsed "budget is as close to zero as you can get lads" lash up now as it did at launch doesn't it hehe